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    Obama's Chickens Come Home to Roost
    By Robert Tracinski

    Over the weekend, the Obama campaign suffered a further disaster: the Reverend Jeremiah Wright finally seized his 15 minutes of fame.

    Lured by the irresistible glow of the spotlight, the reverend launched a media blitz that took him from a softball interview with Bill Moyers on Friday, to a speech to a Detroit meeting of the NAACP on Sunday, to a press conference at the National Press Club on Monday morning.

    Barack Obama is now declaring himself shocked and disappointed at Wright's unrepentantly racist and anti-American views--but Obama can no longer plausibly claim innocence in this matter, because he is the one who has encouraged Wright by trying to excuse and explain his views.

    This time around, the Reverend Wright told his audience Sunday night that blacks and whites have different methods of thinking. Blacks rely on "right-brain" thinking, which is more creative, while whites rely on "left-brain" thinking, which is more logical. Oh yes, and blacks have a better sense of rhythm. As Victor Davis Hanson points out, if any white man had dared to breathe these hoary stereotypes--particularly the view that blacks are less suited to logical thinking--he would have been permanently cast out of polite society. The fact that Reverend Wright expressed those views to the NAACP (and received, by all accounts, a positive response) merely indicates how far that once-venerable organization has fallen.

    To the National Press Club, Wright reiterated his claim that AIDS was created by the United States government as a racist plot to kill blacks; he explained that Obama's "distancing" himself from Wright was only a political calculation "based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls"; and he also repeated his praise for Louis Farrakhan--the anti-Semitic, quasi-fascist, dictator-loving leader of the Nation of Islam--as "one of the most important voices in the 20th and 21st century." This part of his message was reinforced by the entourage he brought with him to the event. The Washington Post explains that the audience included Marion Barry--the crack-smoking former mayor of Washington, DC--Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party, and Jamil Muhammad of the Nation of Islam. And adds: "a member of the head table, American Urban Radio's April Ryan, confirmed that Wright's security was provided by bodyguards from Farrakhan's Nation of Islam."

    All of this is the polar opposite of the image Obama has projected to the world--except in one respect. Wright's main defense against criticism of his views was taken directly from Obama's March 18 speech on the subject of race in America. In this celebrated speech, Obama tried to make the Reverend Wright's views seem reasonable, to put him into an excusable "context"--and in doing so, he is the one who unleashed Wright.

    At the National Press Club, Wright warned that criticism of him in the press "is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright; it is an attack on the black church." It might seem arrogant for Wright to assert that his own rantings are identical to the religious views of the black community as a whole--if Obama had not been the first one to make that comparison. The Reverend Wright, Obama said back in March, "contains within him the contradictions--the good and the bad--of the community that he has served diligently for so many years. I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

    Wright's equation of himself with the "black church"--he goes on to explain that his own publicity-seeking "just might mean that the reality of the African-American church will no longer be invisible"--picks up on another theme straight out of Barack Obama's speech: excusing the reverend's wild exaggerations and emotionalist style as a widely accepted peculiarity of sermons in black churches. As Obama explained to us:

    The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning.... But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.
    Here we see Obama's purpose in equating Wright to the "black community" as a whole: to criticize Wright, therefore, is to criticize blacks as such. It is inherently racist. According to Obama, if you are shocked that Reverend Wright would call on God to damn America, this merely exposes your callous indifference to the views and experiences of blacks in America. It makes you an example of the persistence of segregation--and if you express your views, you are responsible for "widening" racial conflict in America.

    In short, it was Obama who tried to neutralize criticism of Wright by appealing to white racial guilt. Shelby Steele has memorably described "white guilt" as the presumption that whites are guilty of racism until they can prove otherwise, which they do by subjecting themselves to "diversity training," by embracing "affirmative action" racial preferences--or by patiently taking abuse from the likes of Jeremiah Wright, in order to show how understanding they are of black grievances.

    The purpose of Obama's famous speech on race was to make Wright seem reasonable, understandable, even mainstream. The Obama campaign's hope, no doubt, was that this would make the Wright story go away. But Wright interpreted it as an invitation. If he's so understandable and mainstream, why not go on a media tour to explain himself to the world? And why not use Obama's own arguments to justify himself and browbeat his critics?

    All of this is why it is no use for Obama to backpedal from his association with Reverend Wright, or to denounce him now, six weeks too late. It was Obama who sought to provide the Reverend Wright with immunity from criticism--and he can't complain when the reverend tries to take full advantage of that immunity.

    This is the final collapse of the noble promise of the Obama campaign. The man who had once put himself forward as the candidate who would transcend racial politics once and for all has ended up legitimizing a Christian equivalent of Louis Farrakhan--and injecting him into the American political debate.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
      Rush Limbaugh put together a montage of commentators praising Obama's press conference. Most used the word "courageous."



      This is EXACTLY what they said about Obama in March when he said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother"

      I listened to a panel of 3 journalists & academics on NPR yesterday. All supported Obama, as did every caller put on the air.
      Charlie Rose had a four person panel, all four gushing over Obama's brave and correct denouncing of Wright, and hoping this ends the controversy.

      No mention anywhere (except right wing radio) of Obama's ludicrous claim yesterday to have just discovered Wright's true views.

      Obama ignored Wright's crazy remarks about Aids, riding dirty, Goddamn America, etc. The tipping point came for Obama only when Wright went so far as to call Obama a phony politician.

      Obama is a cynical, poll-driven politician just like the rest. What galls me is the claim by his followers to the new way. Obama is a fraud.
      WTG, Harlan. I couldn't have said it better.

      Tyrone, what could a black person (pretend or real?) possibly have against Condoleeza Rice?
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      • #48
        Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
        Rush Limbaugh put together a montage of commentators praising Obama's press conference. Most used the word "courageous."



        This is EXACTLY what they said about Obama in March when he said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother"

        I listened to a panel of 3 journalists & academics on NPR yesterday. All supported Obama, as did every caller put on the air.
        Charlie Rose had a four person panel, all four gushing over Obama's brave and correct denouncing of Wright, and hoping this ends the controversy.

        No mention anywhere (except right wing radio) of Obama's ludicrous claim yesterday to have just discovered Wright's true views.

        Obama ignored Wright's crazy remarks about Aids, riding dirty, Goddamn America, etc. The tipping point came for Obama only when Wright went so far as to call Obama a phony politician.

        Obama is a cynical, poll-driven politician just like the rest. What galls me is the claim by his followers to the new way. Obama is a fraud.
        WTG, Harlan. I couldn't have said it better.

        Tyrone, what could a black person (pretend or real?) possibly have against Condoleeza Rice?
        OH, i don't know. How about ignoring Tenet and his warning of an imminent Al queda attack.

        How about the fact she was an outspoken advocate of attacking Iraq and wrote and editorial stating that she knew they were lying.

        How about the fact that she declined to testify before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the 9/11 Commission).

        How about Rice rejecting, on grounds of executive privilege, a House subpoena regarding the prewar claim that Iraq sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.

        How about ratcheting up the hype with, "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

        How about Rice characterizing August 6, 2001 President’s Daily Brief, “Bin Laden to Strike in US" historical information. Rice indicated “It was information based on old reporting.”

        How about pushing for democratic elections for Palestine...which led to Hamas being elected. Which then led to her not dealing with Hamas.

        Or the same in Lebanon with Hezbollah.

        Yet, doesnt' hold Egypt or the Saudi's to the same standard. Did she question Mubarak on the jailing of Nour, ""didn't bring up difficult issues or ask to change anything."...said Mubarak.

        How about that she spends too much time on television talking to a domestic audience and not enough in international negotiations.

        How about the fact that certain world leaders don't respect her. Hard to believe kissinger woulda been snubbed like she was by Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese Prime Minister.

        Or how about her refusal to talk with Syria.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
          Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
          Rush Limbaugh put together a montage of commentators praising Obama's press conference. Most used the word "courageous."



          This is EXACTLY what they said about Obama in March when he said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother"

          I listened to a panel of 3 journalists & academics on NPR yesterday. All supported Obama, as did every caller put on the air.
          Charlie Rose had a four person panel, all four gushing over Obama's brave and correct denouncing of Wright, and hoping this ends the controversy.

          No mention anywhere (except right wing radio) of Obama's ludicrous claim yesterday to have just discovered Wright's true views.

          Obama ignored Wright's crazy remarks about Aids, riding dirty, Goddamn America, etc. The tipping point came for Obama only when Wright went so far as to call Obama a phony politician.

          Obama is a cynical, poll-driven politician just like the rest. What galls me is the claim by his followers to the new way. Obama is a fraud.
          WTG, Harlan. I couldn't have said it better.

          Tyrone, what could a black person (pretend or real?) possibly have against Condoleeza Rice?
          OH, i don't know. How about ignoring Tenet and his warning of an imminent Al queda attack.

          How about the fact she was an outspoken advocate of attacking Iraq and wrote and editorial stating that she knew they were lying.

          How about the fact that she declined to testify before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the 9/11 Commission).

          How about Rice rejecting, on grounds of executive privilege, a House subpoena regarding the prewar claim that Iraq sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.

          How about ratcheting up the hype with, "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

          How about Rice characterizing August 6, 2001 President’s Daily Brief, “Bin Laden to Strike in US" historical information. Rice indicated “It was information based on old reporting.”

          How about pushing for democratic elections for Palestine...which led to Hamas being elected. Which then led to her not dealing with Hamas.

          Or the same in Lebanon with Hezbollah.

          Yet, doesnt' hold Egypt or the Saudi's to the same standard. Did she question Mubarak on the jailing of Nour, ""didn't bring up difficult issues or ask to change anything."...said Mubarak.

          How about that she spends too much time on television talking to a domestic audience and not enough in international negotiations.

          How about the fact that certain world leaders don't respect her. Hard to believe kissinger woulda been snubbed like she was by Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese Prime Minister.

          Or how about her refusal to talk with Syria.
          Yeah, right. Like you care. The Great Humanitarian.

          Aren't you busy (when you're not goofing off at work) fantasizing about "consoling" grieving, single moms?

          Way back machine: One day after Heath Ledger's death, Mr. "We Are The World" said...

          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
          Tyrone is saddened. Left behind a child.

          Tyrone also thinks Michelle Williams is cute and a fine actress. Tyrone may go a courtin'. Tyrone likes single mom's. They aren't so picky.
          Just how do you focus that big brain of yours (trained in every form of software known to mankind putting poor hapless Partial to shame) on serious international events while trolling for vulnerable women?

          Multitasking For Dummies?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Kiwon
            Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
            Rush Limbaugh put together a montage of commentators praising Obama's press conference. Most used the word "courageous."



            This is EXACTLY what they said about Obama in March when he said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother"

            I listened to a panel of 3 journalists & academics on NPR yesterday. All supported Obama, as did every caller put on the air.
            Charlie Rose had a four person panel, all four gushing over Obama's brave and correct denouncing of Wright, and hoping this ends the controversy.

            No mention anywhere (except right wing radio) of Obama's ludicrous claim yesterday to have just discovered Wright's true views.

            Obama ignored Wright's crazy remarks about Aids, riding dirty, Goddamn America, etc. The tipping point came for Obama only when Wright went so far as to call Obama a phony politician.

            Obama is a cynical, poll-driven politician just like the rest. What galls me is the claim by his followers to the new way. Obama is a fraud.
            WTG, Harlan. I couldn't have said it better.

            Tyrone, what could a black person (pretend or real?) possibly have against Condoleeza Rice?
            OH, i don't know. How about ignoring Tenet and his warning of an imminent Al queda attack.

            How about the fact she was an outspoken advocate of attacking Iraq and wrote and editorial stating that she knew they were lying.

            How about the fact that she declined to testify before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (the 9/11 Commission).

            How about Rice rejecting, on grounds of executive privilege, a House subpoena regarding the prewar claim that Iraq sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.

            How about ratcheting up the hype with, "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

            How about Rice characterizing August 6, 2001 President’s Daily Brief, “Bin Laden to Strike in US" historical information. Rice indicated “It was information based on old reporting.”

            How about pushing for democratic elections for Palestine...which led to Hamas being elected. Which then led to her not dealing with Hamas.

            Or the same in Lebanon with Hezbollah.

            Yet, doesnt' hold Egypt or the Saudi's to the same standard. Did she question Mubarak on the jailing of Nour, ""didn't bring up difficult issues or ask to change anything."...said Mubarak.

            How about that she spends too much time on television talking to a domestic audience and not enough in international negotiations.

            How about the fact that certain world leaders don't respect her. Hard to believe kissinger woulda been snubbed like she was by Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese Prime Minister.

            Or how about her refusal to talk with Syria.
            Yeah, right. Like you care. The Great Humanitarian.

            Aren't you busy (when you're not goofing off at work) fantasizing about "consoling" grieving, single moms?

            Way back machine: One day after Heath Ledger's death, Mr. "We Are The World" said...

            Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
            Tyrone is saddened. Left behind a child.

            Tyrone also thinks Michelle Williams is cute and a fine actress. Tyrone may go a courtin'. Tyrone likes single mom's. They aren't so picky.
            Just how do you focus that big brain of yours (trained in every form of software known to mankind putting poor hapless Partial to shame) on serious international events while trolling for vulnerable women?

            Multitasking For Dummies?
            What does being a humanitarian have to do with not finding Rice perfect?

            Tyrone finds your obsession with him quite flattering. Perhaps you would like Tyrone to send you his schedule so you can be more on top of what i'm doing.

            Tyrone also finds that you have a very poor sense of humor. Tyrone also notes that you are kinda dumb, as Michelle Williams was a single mom long before Mr. Ledger passed on.

            Tyrone has never claimed to be trained in every piece of software, and Partial and tyrone HAVE never had one discussion on software. I guess for you all things puter related are the same.

            Game, Set, Match.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
              Obama is a fraud.
              WTG, Harlan. I couldn't have said it better.
              I think we need to team-up. An unbeatable ticket, like Kennedy & Johnson. With my boyish good looks & charisma, and your pull with the, well, classically-minded crowd, we'll rule the forum.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                Obama is a fraud.
                WTG, Harlan. I couldn't have said it better.
                I think we need to team-up. An unbeatable ticket, like Kennedy & Johnson. With my boyish good looks & charisma, and your pull with the, well, classically-minded crowd, we'll rule the forum.
                All that from one little WTG!

                I don't think I could take you along as my veep (that is the arrangement you had in mind, isn't it?). It ain't healthy to have somebody who disagrees with you probably 80% of the time a heartbeat away from taking over for me--my heartbeat.

                Let me see, do I want to get into an extended discussion over Condoleeza with Tyrone or not? Nah. I'll just say with regard to the post above, it's refreshing to find somebody who blames somebody other than Bush for all the liberal-perceived problems of the world.

                I think the buck never stopped with Condi before (oh, the racist possibilities there).
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                • #53
                  Mrs Clinton came off great in her meet & greet with Bill O'Reilly, online reaction is glowing, should give her a bump.

                  Polls in Indiana show her comfortably ahead in 5-10% range. (She was behind by that margin two weeks ago.)

                  And most bizarre is that one poll had her leading in North Carolina by 2%! She had been back more than 15% there. The Dem voters being polled in N.C. are about 40% African American. If Clinton really did pull ahead (which is highly unlikely), it would mean Obama's support among whites has collapsed. I'm not holding my breath, but Clinton will be on way to the nomination if she beat Obama in both IN & NC.

                  The forum needs a shit-eating grin emoticon.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                    Obama is a cynical, poll-driven politician just like the rest. What galls me is the claim by his followers to the new way. Obama is a fraud.
                    He's not even a poll-driven politician. That is what is killing Washington. If the politicians actually listened to the polls of their constitutents, they might vote for what their people actually want.

                    The problem is that most of our politicians simply follow a far left or far right agenda driven by the nutso political interests on both extremes. That is precisely where Obama falls. He's not some new fresh breath of air. He's a far left elitist who will ignore the will of the American people just as much as Bush does...it would just be in different areas of policy.
                    My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      I'm not holding my breath, but Clinton will be on way to the nomination if she beat Obama in both IN & NC.
                      I can't see any way that she wins the nomination, but winning NC might be her best shot. It certainly would make the "let's get this over by June" argument from Dean look pretty shaky, and would almost guarantee a shakedown at the convention.

                      The Dems can't afford to alienate blacks, the educated elite, or the new voters Obama has brought in the Dem party by picking Hillary with fewer delegates. The way Congressional districts have been redrawn, the Dems stand to take huge losses in Congress if they go with Hillary over Barack right now. They may win the White House, but they probably lose control of Congress if the blacks and leftist elites don't turn out in large numbers. Moderates hate Congress as much as they hate Bush, and many of the Dems gains there will probably get eliminated.
                      My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by The Leaper
                        The Dems can't afford to alienate blacks, the educated elite, or the new voters Obama has brought in the Dem party by picking Hillary with fewer delegates.
                        This is a good take on what would happen if Clinton got nomination:
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                        I agree with this article that African Americans will be OK with Clinton. The main revolt will come from DailyKos, young people.

                        But you know what, an awful lot of older Democrats are not going to vote for Obama. Neither candidate is going to capture the whole pie.

                        I think OBama & Clinton would have benefited from agreeing to a joint ticket. No interest from Obama camp.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by The Leaper
                          That is what is killing Washington. If the politicians actually listened to the polls of their constitutents, they might vote for what their people actually want.

                          The problem is that most of our politicians simply follow a far left or far right agenda driven by the nutso political interests on both extremes .
                          I think you are completely wrong. IF there is a problem with "extremism", its that redistricting has made most of the congressional districts safe, which pushes representatives away from the middle. But still, they are representing the views of their constituents.

                          Maybe you can give an example of extremist actions. I see none.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                            Maybe you can give an example of extremist actions. I see none.
                            It is more about extremist "inaction".

                            Like the amount of steel we buy from China...which is subpar and puts all of us at risk and our own citizens out of a job. Or the entire lack of action on immigration and border security. What about the impending Social Security disaster?

                            There are dozens of issues that real Americans care about...but that Washington simply refuses to actually address outside of holding "hearings" that are nothing but window dressing.

                            The extreme groups have worked hard to get their agendas in place already...and now seek to simply turn Washington into a "do nothing" establishment. Corporations and special interests now run this country, because we've allowed their $$$$ to run Washington.
                            My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                              I agree with this article that African Americans will be OK with Clinton.
                              Sure, they'll be OK.

                              However, they won't turn out in droves to vote like they would if Obama was running. That means far fewer votes across the board for the Dems.
                              My signature has NUDITY in it...whatcha gonna do?

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                              • #60
                                McClatchy Washington Bureau
                                Posted on Thu, May. 01, 2008

                                Blacks won't vote in November if Obama's denied nomination

                                David Lightman and William Douglas | McClatchy Newspapers

                                last updated: May 01, 2008 03:03:14 PM

                                INDIANAPOLIS — Many black voters are making it very clear: They're concerned that Barack Obama is going to be denied the Democratic presidential nomination that they see as rightfully his, and if that happens, a lot of them may stay home in November.

                                "It would hurt me not to vote," said Charles Clark, an Indianapolis retiree. He's thinking about leaving the presidential box on his ballot blank this fall if Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' nominee.

                                "There was a heck of a push made so blacks could vote. I know that," he said. "But it would also be very unfair if they pushed Barack Obama to the side."

                                Michelle Moore, an Indianapolis housewife, is less gentle: "Hillary Clinton would not even still be in the race if Obama was a white man," she said.

                                Her tough tone was common this week in this city's black community. Why, people asked, is the Illinois senator's relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright being judged so harshly? Why won't Democratic Party officials acknowledge that Obama's in the lead and unite around him?

                                African-Americans have been the Democratic Party's most reliable bloc, giving about 90 percent of their votes to former Vice President Al Gore and Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., in the last two presidential elections.

                                In a close election this year, an African-American exodus from the voting booth could be costly to Democrats, particularly in the South, where blacks are a large proportion of the electorate.

                                If Obama isn't the nominee, "there would be a significant number of African-Americans who would stay home. They're not voting for (presumptive Republican nominee) John McCain," predicted David Bositis, a senior analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which researches black voting trends.

                                Todd Shaw, a University of South Carolina political science professor, agreed, citing a groundswell of African-American disenchantment with both Bill and Hillary Clinton. They're particularly annoyed by Bill Clinton's performance during the South Carolina primary and by Clinton supporter James Carville's description of New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Latino, as "Judas" for endorsing Obama over Hillary Clinton.

                                "The comment plays very badly with African-Americans and Latinos," Shaw said. "They remind them of 'Look what we've done for you; you should stay in line.' That doesn't sit well with voters of color. They view it as Northern machine politics or Old South boss politics."

                                Hunter Bacot, an associate professor of political science at Elon University in North Carolina, saw another piece of political history haunting black Obama backers.

                                "There's a sentiment among blacks that they've been taken for granted by the Democratic Party," Bacot said. "If Obama loses, it's as though their candidate's victory was overturned."

                                Democratic National Committee officials acknowledge that there could be some falloff of African-American voters if Obama isn't the nominee. Still, Karen Finney, a DNC spokeswoman, said the party expects African-Americans — frustrated by the war in Iraq, the sagging economy and high gasoline prices — to go to the polls in their usual numbers when they compare whomever the Democratic nominee is with McCain.

                                "We are aware that this has been an intense race, that there have been some tough feelings, and there are concerns," she said. However, how those feelings are soothed and concerns resolved will depend largely on how Clinton and Obama personally handle victory and defeat.

                                Several African-Americans in Indiana, which holds a crucial Democratic primary on Tuesday, said they could be seeing yet another effort by the white establishment to crush any African-American who's earned a powerful position.

                                "Here we go again," said Eddie Pryor, an Indianapolis retiree.

                                "It's like there's a ceiling for us," added Bangen Finley, an Indianapolis machinist.

                                Feelings are similar elsewhere. Former Rep. Floyd Flake, D-N.Y., an African Methodist Episcopal church pastor and president of a private black college in Ohio, said he constantly hears the angst of African-American and young voters about Obama's fortunes.

                                "If he doesn't get it, there will be a response," Flake said. "The young people will not be showing up to vote for Hillary Clinton if she gets it. I think given the turnout coming from young people and African-Americans (for Obama), I don't think they will go to the polls if she is the candidate."

                                But Jerry Mondesire, the president of the Philadelphia chapter of the NAACP and publisher of The Philadelphia Sunday Sun, an African-American weekly newspaper, said it's foolish for any Democrat to refuse to vote if his or her candidate isn't the nominee.

                                "It's a stupid way for Obama supporters to think and a stupid way for Hillary Clinton supporters to think," said Mondesire, a pledged Clinton delegate. "It's a selfish and destructive way to think. I can't think of what the Supreme Court would look like if McCain were elected. Roe v. Wade could be diminished, and Brown v. Board of Education could be impacted."

                                Some African-American voters in Indiana acknowledge that they might come around even if Clinton wins.

                                "I am offended by Hillary Clinton. What's going on now is unwarranted," said Shirley Graham, an Indianapolis auto company worker. But she will vote Democratic in the fall. "I am a Christian. I can't allow myself to have lingering bitterness," she said.

                                Others are undecided.

                                "They're criticizing Obama in ways that are not really relevant," said Bill Davis, a Carmel electrical engineer. "I will make a determination about voting in November at that time."

                                Michelle Moore, however, has made up her mind: Clinton is out.

                                "Senator Obama is just not being treated fairly," she insisted. "You would think everything that Reverend Wright says is coming right from Obama's mouth."

                                McClatchy Newspapers 2008
                                C.H.U.D.

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