Deputy Nutz - Jeremiah Wright connection

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by my count, if the numbers stay the way they are now with clinton winning indianna 55-45 and obama winning nc 65-35

obama still wins the night and adds around 20 delegates to his total lead

cnn just showed that if obama wins nc 55-45 and clinton win indy and all the remaining states 55-45 there is no way she can come close to catching obama

[Freak Out]

CNN just flashed on the screen that 45% of Clinton supporters say they would vote for Obama, while 70% of Obama supporters say they would vote for Clinton.

Very interesting. If true, maybe I should be rooting for Obama--actually, I think I am in the long term, for the Dem nomination--but I'm for Hillary tonight.

see and i fall into the opposite. if obama doesn't win i'll either not be voting or voting for mccain

i do not want hillary in office, i don't trust her at all. and i think she'll say or do anything to get votes

i fully expect to turn on the TV one morning and see hillary standing on top of a myan temple with a knife in one hand and her daughters still beating heart in her other hand. then kicks the kid down the step and raises the heart up the the vote gods

I don't trust any of the big three really. I'll take Obama over Hillary or Mac though. I"d like Mac to give me a reason to vote for him but he just won't do it....and I shudder when I think of him licking the boots of Dubya when he really should have cut his heart out. I want to see a serious shake up and Hussein is the only one of the big three showing any signs of doing that.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I just saw a map of the states Obama has won this primary season.

He won ALL of the states in the South. With 90+% of African American vote, these states are a lock for him.
And he won a bunch of Western/Mountain States.

These are all red states where the Dems have slim to no chance of collecting electoral votes in general election.

The only important states (competive) that Obama carried are Wisconsin and Missouri, and he just barely carried Missouri.

It might just be a Democratic year because of the unpopularity of the Bush years, so perhaps Obama will win presidency. But Obama looks very vulnerable.

[Joemailman]

A lot has changed since 2004 Harlan. Dems are stronger in the Mountain states than they were 4 years ago. Obama could also win Virginia. It's a different map than in 2004.

[Harlan Huckleby]

A lot has changed since 2004 Harlan. Dems are stronger in the Mountain states than they were 4 years ago. Obama could also win Virginia. It's a different map than in 2004.

not that different. he could steal Virgina & NC, but so what if he loses ohio. he's not going to win any mountain states, those caucuses mean squat.

I think obama is a lousy presidential candidate; which is not to say he will make a lousy president. I heard on NPR this week that he lost the white vote in 27 out of 30 primaries! (can't tell you why they only had data for 30 contests) Obama is PERFECTLY suited for a Democratic primary contest, but wrong for a general election. if the field weren't tilted so strongly to the Dems, he would be toast.

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one thing to look at for the election is voter turn out

lets face it, most americans most years don't vote

however the dems have been very motivated during the primaries and they're turning out in record numbers for primaries

the dems could turn a lot of those historically red states just by having a larger % of the party turning out to vote

i know the republicans don't have much of a fight going on, but the dems are turning out massive numbers compared to the republicans

if the dems can stay motivated you might see a whole new map this year

[texaspackerbacker]

I really don't see that we need any bog shakeup. Any major change in America would necessarily be in a downward direction because we are so close to the top now.

Red, how many of those do you think do you think are crossover Republicans carrying out Rush's Operation Chaos?

[Harlan Huckleby]

turnout - if it were just college students and the press turning out, he would be elected King for life. But that high turnout is also gonna include conservative-moderate Dems voting for McCain.

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I really don't see that we need any bog shakeup. Any major change in America would necessarily be in a downward direction because we are so close to the top now.

LOL

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turnout - if it were just college students and the press turning out, he will be elected King for life. But that high turnout is also gonna include conservative-moderate Dems voting for McCain.

i think thats just hillaries people blowing smoke and bitching and crting like she does. "you better let her run for prez, or else we'll vote for the other guy" boo hoo. we'll take the ball and go home

we'll see if they still stick to that after the bitch is finally out of the contest

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I really don't see that we need any bog shakeup. Any major change in America would necessarily be in a downward direction because we are so close to the top now.

Red, how many of those do you think do you think are crossover Republicans carrying out Rush's Operation Chaos?

thats definately a probability i do wonder if the enemy is turning out to get one side or the other in because they think they're the weaker canidate

but i don't see that many nursing homes let out that many people to make that much of a difference

[Harlan Huckleby]

i think thats just hillaries people blowing smoke and bitching and crting like she does. "you better let her run for prez, or else we'll vote for the other guy" boo hoo

it won't take that many Dems to make a critical difference. And you don't appreciate that McCain is well-respected by many Dems.

The wild card, I think, is how dirty the campaign will be next fall. it's possible the Republicans will overplay their hand and keep Dems from crossing over. We'll see.

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i think its also interesting that the democratic primaries look exactly like a regular election. hillary wins all the county and states that are always red, and obama wins all the counties and states that vote blue

its kind of funny. maybe its the republicans turning out to get that horrible human being of a woman going up against a pretty stand up guy come this fall

[Harlan Huckleby]

i think its also interesting that the democratic primaries look exactly like a regular election. hillary wins all the county and states that are always red, and obama wins all the counties and states that vote blue

you have that exactly backwards, Einstein.

its kind of funny. maybe its the republicans turning out to get that horrible human being of a woman going up against a pretty stand up guy come this fall

Obama was not so stand-up in Mich & FL. And his dissembling about his relationship with the Rev has tarnished him badly.

The landscape has changed dramatically in the last 4 weeks. A growing number of Republicans have figured-out that Obama can be portrayed as a traditional liberal with racist connections. Whether this is truth or reality, I can't say. Rush Limbaugh's audiance is starting to rebel against "Operation Chaos", they fear Clinton's growing momentum and popularity with middle America.

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i guess its more split then i thought

its just that they keep showing indy and how they voted in 04 compared to today, and it falls right in line with that

they split the south and the northeast

so i guess my theory goes right out the window

obama is really closing that gap in indiana . i don't see the numbers were he can win, but it'll be close enough where clinton at most will only pick up a handfull of delegates from that state