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It's my contention that leftists--both the posters in this and other forums and their political idols--scumbags like Obama and many many others--are so PATHETICALLY and DISGUSTINGLY wrong on the issues--from a criterion of What's Good For America--that they DON'T EVEN HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEFEND THE SICK ROTTEN POSITIONS their side takes. God damned Obama had the supreme gall to think he could coast to the nomination and presumably, to the election too, with the complicity of the leftist media, WITHOUT EVEN BETRAYING HIS OWN ROTTENNESS by exposing his horribly flawed positions on the issues. Fortunately, Hillary at least made inroads toward showing America the truly despicable anti-American leftist piece of crap that Obama really is.
What I intend to do in this thread is to describe the issues in as fair and balanced way as I can, with comparative positions of Obama and other leftists and conservatives--most of the time, but with notable exceptions, including McCain. You sick leftists feel free to rephrase those issues and the comparative views, if you don't like the way I describe them.
I JUST BET that most of you won't even have the courage to defend the rotten and basically indefensible--from a rational American point of view--positions of your pet leftists.
I'm listing the issues in what I consider the approximate order of importance. Feel free to re-order them if you disagree--in the unlikely event any of you have the balls to even show up and defend the rottenness of the left.
1. Protection of America, Americans, and our way of life against mass murder by terrorists:
Our side: Interventionist foreign policy, pre-emptive war as needed, continuing the current theaters of the War on Terror to a positive conclusion, negotiating only from a position of strength and NOT with sponsors of terrorism, enhanced domestic security--including but not limited to the Patriot Act, NOT affording OUR rights and freedoms to terrorists, warehousing them and harshly interrogating them as needed at Guantanamo, etc.
Your side: Negotiating unconditionally with sponsors of terrorism, pulling out of Iraq on a timetable, regardless of the consequences, disparaging the "Cowboy Approach"--America taking charge of its own security and position in favor of relying on the UN and other nations and international groups, favoring Kerry's "Police Approach"--waiting for the terrorist enemy to hit us, then merely tracking down the perpetrators--viewing terrorist attacks as criminal matters rather than acts of war, opposing the Patriot Act and virtually every other domestic security measure, opposing the warehousing at Guantanamo and harsh interrogation of terrorist prisoners, and bringing those terrorist prisoners into OUR judicial system--giving them rights reserved Constitutionally for Americans
2. Economic Policies:
Our side: cutting/not raising taxes being the most important element--including but not limited to making the Bush tax cuts permanent, NOT expanding, and reducing where possible spending for government welfare/entitlement/social programs, a commitment to eliminate "earmarks"--wasteful government spending
Your side: NOT making the Bush tax cuts permanent, increasing taxes regularly and routinely, promoting greatly increased spending on government social programs to at least pre-Reagan levels, no commitment on "earmarks"
3. Overall view and attitude about America, the American Way, our Judeo-Christian heritage and morality, and our free enterprise capitalist system:
Our side: Embracing American Exceptionalism--seeing America as the indisputable leader of the forces for all things good in the world, recognizing our role as having defended and upheld the civilized world in the face of evils such as Nazism, Communism, and radical Islam embracing OUR culture and way of life including Judeo-Christian heritage, values, compassion, etc., embracing OUR freedom and representative democracy, and embracing OUR free enterprise capitalist system
Your side: Denying American Exceptionalism, seeing America and all things American as no better than whatever other nations, ethnicities, religious groups out there, denying our role as the icon of all things good in the world, disrespecting Christianity and our values and heritage as morally equivalent to/no better than various other beliefs, philosophies, etc. out there--things like Sharia Law, socialist dictatorships, etc.--Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, Ahmedinijad, etc., opposing the promotion of American-style freedom and representative democracy, opposing American-style free enterprise capitalism in favor of socialism, referring to it as "inflicting" our way on whoever
4. Immigration, Border Control, Illegals Currently Here:
Our side: Establish control of the border FIRST, immediate deportation of illegals committing secondary crimes unless the offense is serious enough for imprisonment here, divided on deportation, leaving alone, or a path toward legalization and citizenship for illegals already here
Your side: No emphasis on taking control of the border, strong commitment toward what is generally referred to as amnesty, opposition to deportation of illegals
5. Energy Policy:
Our side: Using available American sources of oil--ANWAR, off Florida and California, various other areas, increasing refinery capacity, increasing use of nuclear power, limited emphasis on alternatives like ethanol, and then mainly non-food sources of ethanol, generally respecting and working with oil companies for the good of America
Your side: NOT using ANWAR or other new American sources, hating and disrespecting oil companies, disapproving of nuclear energy, emphasis on ethanol from corn and sugar, even at the expense of greatly increased food costs
6. The Theory of Manmade Global Warming:
Our side: Most (with exceptions unfortunately including McCain) view the MGW Theory as bogus and aimed at harming America and other western capitalist countries, thus, opposing the Kyoto Accords and other international "solutions" that would seriously harm our economy and comfortable lifestyle
Your side: Embracing expensive efforts mainly affecting America and other capitalist countries that hurt our comfort and lifestyle
7. Judicial Appointees:
Our side: Strict constructionist judges who follow the literal words of the Constitution for the most part, the ONLY exceptions being in favor of security and defense of America and our way of life
Your side: Favoring judicial activists who will promote changes in the American way of life such as gay marriage, abortion including partial birth, etc. even if these are opposed by the majority of Americans and NOT specifically outlined in the Constitution
8. Social and Moral Issues:
Our side: anti-abortion, anti-gay agenda--portraying homosexuality as an EQUAL alternative lifestyle and a CHOICE, opposing gay marriage being legitimatized by law
Your side: pro-abortion--or at least the choice to have them, even partial birth, pro-gay agenda--viewing homosexuality as just as equal and normal as heterosexuality--and teaching it that way in schools, favoring the legitimatizing of gay marriage, viewing homosexuality as genetic rather than a matter of choice
9. Regulation and Intrusive Government:
Our side: Generally opposes most regulation beyond the minimum necessary to protect our basic rights
Your side: Generally favoring a wide range of government regulations aimed at promoting safety, equality of RESULT--not merely of opportunity
Did I leave anything out? If so, feel free to bring it up.
On literally ALL of these issues, the views and positions of YOUR leftist politicians are so horribly flawed and deleterious to what's good for America as to be INDEFENSIBLE--IMO. If you disagree, have the balls to defend them with specifics--but I bet most of you will run and hide like the spineless demagogues that you are--or merely resort to namecalling and diversion of the discussion--as you characteristically do. Or if you want to take the old "I'm not a liberal" cop-out, try stating which of those issues you AREN'T liberal on.
I just bet you all wimp out and don't/won't/can't even present a rational defense for your sick liberal crap.
What I intend to do in this thread is to describe the issues in as fair and balanced way as I can, with comparative positions of Obama and other leftists and conservatives--most of the time, but with notable exceptions, including McCain. You sick leftists feel free to rephrase those issues and the comparative views, if you don't like the way I describe them.
I JUST BET that most of you won't even have the courage to defend the rotten and basically indefensible--from a rational American point of view--positions of your pet leftists.
I'm listing the issues in what I consider the approximate order of importance. Feel free to re-order them if you disagree--in the unlikely event any of you have the balls to even show up and defend the rottenness of the left.
1. Protection of America, Americans, and our way of life against mass murder by terrorists:
Our side: Interventionist foreign policy, pre-emptive war as needed, continuing the current theaters of the War on Terror to a positive conclusion, negotiating only from a position of strength and NOT with sponsors of terrorism, enhanced domestic security--including but not limited to the Patriot Act, NOT affording OUR rights and freedoms to terrorists, warehousing them and harshly interrogating them as needed at Guantanamo, etc.
Your side: Negotiating unconditionally with sponsors of terrorism, pulling out of Iraq on a timetable, regardless of the consequences, disparaging the "Cowboy Approach"--America taking charge of its own security and position in favor of relying on the UN and other nations and international groups, favoring Kerry's "Police Approach"--waiting for the terrorist enemy to hit us, then merely tracking down the perpetrators--viewing terrorist attacks as criminal matters rather than acts of war, opposing the Patriot Act and virtually every other domestic security measure, opposing the warehousing at Guantanamo and harsh interrogation of terrorist prisoners, and bringing those terrorist prisoners into OUR judicial system--giving them rights reserved Constitutionally for Americans
2. Economic Policies:
Our side: cutting/not raising taxes being the most important element--including but not limited to making the Bush tax cuts permanent, NOT expanding, and reducing where possible spending for government welfare/entitlement/social programs, a commitment to eliminate "earmarks"--wasteful government spending
Your side: NOT making the Bush tax cuts permanent, increasing taxes regularly and routinely, promoting greatly increased spending on government social programs to at least pre-Reagan levels, no commitment on "earmarks"
3. Overall view and attitude about America, the American Way, our Judeo-Christian heritage and morality, and our free enterprise capitalist system:
Our side: Embracing American Exceptionalism--seeing America as the indisputable leader of the forces for all things good in the world, recognizing our role as having defended and upheld the civilized world in the face of evils such as Nazism, Communism, and radical Islam embracing OUR culture and way of life including Judeo-Christian heritage, values, compassion, etc., embracing OUR freedom and representative democracy, and embracing OUR free enterprise capitalist system
Your side: Denying American Exceptionalism, seeing America and all things American as no better than whatever other nations, ethnicities, religious groups out there, denying our role as the icon of all things good in the world, disrespecting Christianity and our values and heritage as morally equivalent to/no better than various other beliefs, philosophies, etc. out there--things like Sharia Law, socialist dictatorships, etc.--Castro, Chavez, Mugabe, Ahmedinijad, etc., opposing the promotion of American-style freedom and representative democracy, opposing American-style free enterprise capitalism in favor of socialism, referring to it as "inflicting" our way on whoever
4. Immigration, Border Control, Illegals Currently Here:
Our side: Establish control of the border FIRST, immediate deportation of illegals committing secondary crimes unless the offense is serious enough for imprisonment here, divided on deportation, leaving alone, or a path toward legalization and citizenship for illegals already here
Your side: No emphasis on taking control of the border, strong commitment toward what is generally referred to as amnesty, opposition to deportation of illegals
5. Energy Policy:
Our side: Using available American sources of oil--ANWAR, off Florida and California, various other areas, increasing refinery capacity, increasing use of nuclear power, limited emphasis on alternatives like ethanol, and then mainly non-food sources of ethanol, generally respecting and working with oil companies for the good of America
Your side: NOT using ANWAR or other new American sources, hating and disrespecting oil companies, disapproving of nuclear energy, emphasis on ethanol from corn and sugar, even at the expense of greatly increased food costs
6. The Theory of Manmade Global Warming:
Our side: Most (with exceptions unfortunately including McCain) view the MGW Theory as bogus and aimed at harming America and other western capitalist countries, thus, opposing the Kyoto Accords and other international "solutions" that would seriously harm our economy and comfortable lifestyle
Your side: Embracing expensive efforts mainly affecting America and other capitalist countries that hurt our comfort and lifestyle
7. Judicial Appointees:
Our side: Strict constructionist judges who follow the literal words of the Constitution for the most part, the ONLY exceptions being in favor of security and defense of America and our way of life
Your side: Favoring judicial activists who will promote changes in the American way of life such as gay marriage, abortion including partial birth, etc. even if these are opposed by the majority of Americans and NOT specifically outlined in the Constitution
8. Social and Moral Issues:
Our side: anti-abortion, anti-gay agenda--portraying homosexuality as an EQUAL alternative lifestyle and a CHOICE, opposing gay marriage being legitimatized by law
Your side: pro-abortion--or at least the choice to have them, even partial birth, pro-gay agenda--viewing homosexuality as just as equal and normal as heterosexuality--and teaching it that way in schools, favoring the legitimatizing of gay marriage, viewing homosexuality as genetic rather than a matter of choice
9. Regulation and Intrusive Government:
Our side: Generally opposes most regulation beyond the minimum necessary to protect our basic rights
Your side: Generally favoring a wide range of government regulations aimed at promoting safety, equality of RESULT--not merely of opportunity
Did I leave anything out? If so, feel free to bring it up.
On literally ALL of these issues, the views and positions of YOUR leftist politicians are so horribly flawed and deleterious to what's good for America as to be INDEFENSIBLE--IMO. If you disagree, have the balls to defend them with specifics--but I bet most of you will run and hide like the spineless demagogues that you are--or merely resort to namecalling and diversion of the discussion--as you characteristically do. Or if you want to take the old "I'm not a liberal" cop-out, try stating which of those issues you AREN'T liberal on.
I just bet you all wimp out and don't/won't/can't even present a rational defense for your sick liberal crap.
. Why don't we tear up the constitution and disregard all moral and natural things and run a progressive society that will be defunct in ten years where every kid would rather play an instrument, get pierced, or have gay sex instead of build a bridge, start a company, etc.
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