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Red was Red at JSO. He stopped posting there shortly after the 05 draft. He was pissed that I started a thread calling Thompson gay.
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OK, Ziggy, let me start by saying, it is a lot easier to respect the few who make an effort than the many who are incapable of even trying--but still have the gall to whine about pristine normal American views and values as extremism.
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Starting with the last paragraph of your post: maybe you or whoever might shy away from being called a leftist. Hell, part of my point here is that I am not a "rightist". The extreme right wing is Nazis, skinheads, etc. Hell, I was told in another forum that I was a liberal, and the Ron Paul-types--the Libertarians--were the true conservatives. Whatever.Originally posted by MJZiggy
I am off the conservative reservation on several issues, and luke warm on several others. I'll save that for a different post or thread.
Yeah, America has survived a couple hundred years with a variety of views, and on most issues, that is still true.
However, the issue I put as #1--Bush's biggest success--the one liberals strangely ridicule--even though they pretend to care about human life--is the one that has the potential to really bring the house down on the American Way of life. I'm convince that a lot of leftists don't even care about the American Way, freedom, our great standard of living, and even American lives. Presumably--hopefully--that isn't you. What do you think would happen if we got hit with several--even one--nuclear act of terror? Even a few dirty bombs? Even a series of school or shopping mall attacks with plain old conventional bombs? Never mind the human tragedy of huge numbers of Americans murdered. Do you think our rights and freedoms would survive? All we consider fun and enjoyable--from football on down--would be destroyed or severely curtailed.
You take what Bush has done, and compare it to what Kerry said he would have done, and to what Obama says he will do, and it spells real risk of the unthinkable happening.
After that, all the other issues are gravy. However, in a sense they aren't, because the left has succeeded in diverting the electorate to discount success against terrorism to a myriad of lesser issues--NOT which Obama is any good on, but which they think they have a better chance of demagoguing and selling him on.
1. Where did you get "Bush started a war to distract terrorsts" from? I certainly didn't say it. While that certainly seems to have been the result, I doubt Bush, Cheney, or anybody else foresaw that al Qaeda would de-emphasize hitting us at home in order to screw up Iraq. How many repeats have there been of the McVey incident? Right, about the same number as repeats of 9/11--another element of Bush success.
2. The China or other countries debt issue is overblown. A couple decades ago, they were saying the same about Japan. At other times, liberals were "concerned" about too much debt to us by foreign countries that we might not be able to collect. This is much ado about very little, and an example of the left trumping up an issue when the war situation started to improve.
3. Shame you didn't choose to discuss this one, because it really goes to the heart of all the other issues--perspective on America, core views and values, etc.
4. This is one of those where I disagree with a lot of conservatives. The hornets nest would be trying to round 'em up and ship 'em out. Merely controlling the border shouldn't be all that hard. I'm luke warm on the "pathway to citizenship". It depends on the details.
5. I think we ARE being creative, but for the present, there is plenty of oil to use that liberals are preventing us from using. And I hope you admit, this debacle of using corn and sugar for fuel, as liberals are so in love with, just ain't a good idea.
6. I had to go back and look what you were commenting on. What does belief in God have to do with the theory of manmade global warming? It's all a sham. I've dug up evidence of that in other forums and might sometime if I get around to it here. The point is, liberals who push the idiocy can't/won't/don't provide a shred of evidence for their pet theory. The other point is the whole thing is aimed (intentionally, I think) squarely at the heart of our wonderful comfortable lifestyle.
7. You're pretty long-winded yourself, and I bet you type a lot faster than I do. Hell yeah, judicial appointments are dependent on who gets elected, which is all the more reason to elect the right ones--who won't pick activist judges that will screw up the country against the will of the people.
8. The reason these two were lumped together and so near the bottom is because I'm kinda luke warm on them. Aren't you making a great case against the liberal p.o.v.--genetic homosexuality--with your line about them not reproducing well and the gene being bred out? I wish I'd said that. The hypothalamus thing is at best, shaky and speculative--a straw to be grasped. As for abortion, I'm not as fired up about that as a lot of conservatives, but it's hard to get around the concept that it is murdering fetuses. How do you justify that?
9. Inconvenience for the sake of security i.e. Tarlam's post, and silly little nanny-state shit which liberals love so much are two very different things. One is potential life and death for huge numbers; The other is nitpicking and eroding away our comforts and freedoms for reasons which I'd like to hear liberals try to defend--but not much, since this is #9 on the list.
My point in posting all this (other than just for fun) was that liberals--not necessarily you--incessantly rant and spew that the good normal American point of view is extremism, when in fact, it is their own liberal positions which really are extreme to the point of being indefensible. And no offense, but even you really didn't do all that much to argue in favor of those wrongheaded positions.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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no tex, i've wasted enought time trying to "discuss" politics with you. you always asked for in depth info, and i always gave it to you, with many other posters, only to have you dismiss everything as lies, and try and attack our credibility
and like tank said, i was red at jso. i left for many reasons, but the last straw was when people started to get hacked and have their personal info posted on the forum. but posters like you and tank really made it easy to leave that site and never look back
you were not missed, and at it was a sad day when you showed up hereComment
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Strange, but I don't EVER remember you discussing issues--just whining and ranting about "extremism".
Like I said, if you ever grow a pair, try arguing the issues ...... but I really doubt you ever will.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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1. You keep bringing up the distraction as some sort of justification for the war, but you're also failing to realize that first off, the terrorists are not killing Chinese people in Iraq--they're killing Americans, not just military, but civilian as well. There are also a whole lotta Iraqis dying.
2. I don't believe that it's overblown for a second. They have hard and fast numbers as to how much we owe them and if the Chinese choose to call in that debt, what are we to use to pay them off? This issue has nothing more to do with the war than the fact that it's the war draining our resources.
3. I'd have discussed it, but the concept I refer to is a psychological one and you refuse to look at it as pure psychology without the bias blowing through.
4. I don't think we're all that far apart here.
5. Just because there happens to be oil somewhere doesn't mean we have to suck it dry. No, ethanol is not the answer. I stopped supporting its use when I found out that it takes more energy to make it than it produces--but at least they're trying something...
6. You've told me before that I don't have the right to bring up religion with you because I'm agnostic and I'm just calling bullshit on that. I believe Christians should act the part first and live by example. I believe that God gave us a planet and it's our responsibility to take care of his toys if there is ANY possibility that we are the cause of his problems. I feel the same way about the human body. It's a gift you have to take care of. If global warming doesn't exist, why are polar bears endangered? And if there's the slightest possibility that us driving smaller cars and using public transportation or alternative energy (solar or wind) could slow it, then what's the real argument against it, other than that your convenience is more important?
7. I do type a lot faster than you. Bitch to keep up, ain't it?
8. I've never believed homosexuality to be genetic, though I could very soon be proven wrong about that...Even if the hypothalamus thing is shaky, it's still out there and you have to respect it. I don't justify abortion. I believe that after the point of viability (I believe around 20 weeks) it should be absolutely outlawed. The mother would have to deliver anyway, so she may as well deliver a live fetus and give it up if she doesn't want it. Killing the baby at that point makes no sense.
9. You were defending Bush. You don't want intrusion of government, but this is the guy who approves of illegally wiretapping the conversations of American citizens, locking them up with no cause and a whole lot of minutiae that is more to serve his agenda than to keep us secure. I'm for measures that keep the terrorists out and the citizens safe, but some of the stuff he's done is far and away beyond that. I don't believe that the good normal American point of view is extremism, but I don't believe you represent it either.
It's the mix of views and the occasional shakeup in Washington that keeps us healhty I think...
So on what issues are you off the conservative reservation?"Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg JenningsComment
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TEX
You should change the title of this to FYI for good ole times sakesTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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How do you know Red is not a woman and is incapable of growing a pair?Originally posted by texaspackerbackerComment
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Bretsky, is it possible to do that?
Nutz, is it not possible to do that--surgically, I mean?What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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1. I thought YOU were the one who kept bringing it up. I merely referred to it as a nice unintended consequence of the war. True, tragically, the number of volunteer troops who have given their lives--eyes wide open--to protect their loved ones and ALL of us has now risen in five or so years to more than the total of innocent civilians killed one morning in September 2001. Who's to say repeats of 9/11, however, wouldn't kill many times more--not to mention the distinct possibility of ruining everything we hold dear in this country--freedom and rights, comforts and enjoyment, sports and activities, normalcy in all ways?Originally posted by MJZiggy
2.What's to stop us from defaulting--as many nations have to us over the years? Trust me, time will prove it is no big deal. If taxes are raised, however, as the libs DEFINITELY by their own words want to do, the economy will suffer significantly.
3. You don't think it is tangible truth--that America is the greatest country in the world by just about any criterion you can name, and America is the primary force for good in the world preventing the forces of evil from bringing a new dark age of tyranny, ignorance, poverty, etc.? How is that "psychological"?
4. Good. Which one was that? Immigration?
5. The government is working on all those--hydrogen fuel cells, fusion, ethanol from non-food sources, nuclear, wind, solar, etc., but for now, oil is by far the cheapest. We supposedly have 60 years worth in known reserves in this country alone, with the strong possibility of more to be discovered. By then, for sure, something else will be feasible. Why not make people's lives less expensive by using the oil in the short term?
6. I don't recall saying that. I've always said, anything can be said in a forum--freedom of speech and all. I seem to recall you saying something I considered ridiculing religion, particularly Christianity, and I ridiculed the concept of an atheist or agnostic ridiculing religion. If you are that, how can you say, "I believe that God gave us a planet and it's our responsibility to take care of his toys ...."? Global warming MAY exist, although even that, in a global sense, is shaky. It is natural cycles, though, not manmade. Also, it is a net wash, with some ice caps expanding in some areas (Greenland) and contracting in others. They have only been measuring ocean temperatures since 1937, and for the first four decades--the time of worst pollution, the sea temp was COOLING. The small increase since the late 70s is not even back to the '37 level, and there is evidence of a leveling off in the last few years. Beyond that sea temperature increase from the late 70s on and localized decrease in ice packs--while others increase, there is virtually NO EVIDENCE at all of gw, and none whatsoever of it being manmade.
7. I'm effectively retired--all the time in the world--eat your heart out! Besides, this is FUN.
8. Glad to hear you think that way about abortion. You know, ironically, the last thing the homosexuals want is a gay gene, as they are afraid people would abort fetuses who had it--see, there is a link. If homosexuality is shown to be biological, I'm not sure what the implication would be--I'm not sure I care--hence, this issue being #8 of 9 with me.
9. See Issue #1. A little bit of inconvenience/government intrusion is small price to pay. It's things like OSHA and handicap crap and dozens and dozens of other silly little regulations, etc. that are hard to take.
What exactly of the things I'm for and against do you see as extreme and NOT representing good American normalcy?
As I stated, I'm "off the conservative reservation" on immigration to some extent--not strongly opposing some kind of a guest worker program, if not actual pathway to citizenship for illegals already here. I'm also a lot less enthusiastic than most conservatives about abortion, gun control, tolerance of gays, prostitution, porn, gambling, etc. And the biggest thing is I believe in Keynesian Economics--deficits and debt NOT being harmful--just like corporate leverage and individual mortgage and consumer debt--as long as economic growth is greater than debt increase, there won't be significant inflation. Real world evidence supports that concept.
I appreciate your give and take of discussion--especially in comparison to the losers of the left who run and hide.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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Violet Hill political music video (Bush, other politicans dancing):
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My dad can beat up your dad.Originally posted by 3irty1Comment
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Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
I think you can just go edit the origninal post if I'm not mistakenTERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWERComment
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Well growing nuts might be hard, but I guess anyone can get a fake set of nuts stitched on.Originally posted by texaspackerbackerComment
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I just listened to some Obama supporters (who shall remain nameless) complain that the Republicans are running an ad criticizing Michelle Obama's "proud of America for the very first time" comment. Spouses of candidates should be off-limits, they claim, Republicans are playing dirty.
WTF!? The Obama camp just spent 4 months savaging Bill Clinton. He's a spouse of a candidate. Michele OBama is out there making political speeches, just like Bill, why the hell should her political comments not be criticized?
The Obama supporters have waged the dirtiest campaign I've every seen. Columnists who suppoted the Clintons in the past turned them into a racist version of Bonnie and Clyde. They took every ambiguous comment and spun it as pure evil. Obama cultists have spoken of Hillary in vicious terms, and then complain about the "dirty politics" of the Clintons and the coming "Republican sleaze machine."
I hate everything about the Obama movement. They treat Obama like a Messiah who is beyond criticism, and they ironically have declared themselves the children of the Light, the vanguard of New Politics. If you look at history, it's always the True Believers who are most harmful.Comment
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WHY did the chicken cross the road?
OBAMA: The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a CHANGE! The chicken wanted CHANGE!
JOHN MC CAIN: My friends, that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road.
HILLARY CLINTON: When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure right from Day One! -- that every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really isn't about me.......
DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must f irst deal with the problem on 'THIS' side of the road before it goes after the problem on the 'OTHER SIDE' of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his 'CURRENT' problems before adding 'NEW' problems.
OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so badly. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of
life, I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. The really is no middle ground here.
COLIN POWELL: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road...
ANDERSON COOPER - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.
JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now and will remain against it.
NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.
PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain. Alone.
JERRY FALWELL: Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth?' That's why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will
become gay, too. I say we boycott all chi ckens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side.' That chicken should not be
crossing the road. It's as plain and simple as that.
GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.
ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together in peace.
AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? We need some black chickens.
BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken2007, which will not only cross roads but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your check book. Internet Explorer is an integral part of "Chicken".
ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?
BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with THAT chicken.
AL GORE: I invented the chicken
COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?
DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?
TEX: That LIBERAL chicken is so PATHETICALLY and DISGUSTINGLY wrong on the issues!! The chicken needs to grow some balls and defend that liberal crap.
I will never eat any of the SICK ANTI-AMERICAN eggs from that sick damned left-biased chicken. Just listen to it spew that vile, despicable, crap. Who cares if it crosses the road, damned LIBERAL!!
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