YOU decide Tank/Anti-Polar Bear's fate at PackerRats

[Zool]

If someone's behavior is really diminishing the quality of the forum then I can see the justification for putting a stop to it. But I think the only fair way to do that is to establish guidelines that everyone is aware of. Otherwise you end up banning someone for something that wasn't technically illegal when they did it, but that retroactively became "illegal" in their specific case. However uncool APBs behavior may have been, you can't right the situation by creating another wrong.

The guy wont police himself though. He's just here to annoy as long as he can until he is removed. He wont stop. He has a track record.

[The Leaper]

If someone's behavior is really diminishing the quality of the forum then I can see the justification for putting a stop to it. But I think the only fair way to do that is to establish guidelines that everyone is aware of. Otherwise you end up banning someone for something that wasn't technically illegal when they did it, but that retroactively became "illegal" in their specific case. However uncool APBs behavior may have been, you can't right the situation by creating another wrong.

Hoosier, you are confusing this site as something that is operated in the public genre...supported and operated by and for the public. It is not.

The site is owned and operated by a private interest, and that private interest maintains the right to do with it whatever they choose...the same way I can't come over to your house and tell you what color paint you have to have on your walls.

If Mad wants to change your name to Hoosier Mama, he can...and there ain't nothin' you're gonna do about it.

[cpk1994]

He'll settle down. His act only goes so far.

You've nver been to JSO or Sportsbubbler have you?

[gbpackfan]

Hoosier,

The man can ban anyone he wants for whatever reason he wants. PERIOD. In this case, it's justified. Even if it wasn't, too fucking bad. Life isn't fair.

[hoosier]

If someone's behavior is really diminishing the quality of the forum then I can see the justification for putting a stop to it. But I think the only fair way to do that is to establish guidelines that everyone is aware of. Otherwise you end up banning someone for something that wasn't technically illegal when they did it, but that retroactively became "illegal" in their specific case. However uncool APBs behavior may have been, you can't right the situation by creating another wrong.

The guy wont police himself though. He's just here to annoy as long as he can until he is removed. He wont stop. He has a track record.

I have no problem with the forum policing him, but if it is to be done fairly then the rules have to be made explicit to everyone ahead of time. This is what the forum admin currently has posted under "Forum Rules":

Forum rules:

Other than threads or posts revealing private and/or personal information about others members, PackerRats.com does not censor any threads or posts. However we do ask that you utilize all the rooms available for posting.

Example: If a subject is about football, post it in the Packers section. If you feel like talking about anything off topic, post it in the Romper Room section. This is not just a website decision, it was also overwhelmingly decided on by vote of PackerRats.com members. So if an off-topic thread is made in the Packers section it will be moved to the Romper Room section. No deletions, no questions asked, just categorized correctly.

PackerRats.com values the individuality of all its members and encourages them to talk about anything they wish. Whatever you post does not reflect the views or opinions of PackerRats.com. It reflects yours. Your poster reputation is determined by what you post so you control your own destiny.

Thanks for joining the PackerRats.com family. We hope you enjoy the forum and community of our site. Go Pack Go!

Why couldn't someone add a simple statement to the effect that "Repeated instances of abusive or inflammatory behavior will be cause for banning"? Otherwise, in banning someone for being a troll, you're pretty much directly contradicting the idea that "PR values the individuality of all its members and encourages them to talk about anything they wish."

[hoosier]

If someone's behavior is really diminishing the quality of the forum then I can see the justification for putting a stop to it. But I think the only fair way to do that is to establish guidelines that everyone is aware of. Otherwise you end up banning someone for something that wasn't technically illegal when they did it, but that retroactively became "illegal" in their specific case. However uncool APBs behavior may have been, you can't right the situation by creating another wrong.

Hoosier, you are confusing this site as something that is operated in the public genre...supported and operated by and for the public. It is not.

The site is owned and operated by a private interest, and that private interest maintains the right to do with it whatever they choose...the same way I can't come over to your house and tell you what color paint you have to have on your walls.

If Mad wants to change your name to Hoosier Mama, he can...and there ain't nothin' you're gonna do about it.

I'm not confusing anything, Leaper, I'm referring to Madtown's opening remark about "don't you just love democracy".

[Zool]

If only Tank wasn't such a douche bag, we wouldn't have to go through this every May/June.

[gbpackfan]

If someone's behavior is really diminishing the quality of the forum then I can see the justification for putting a stop to it. But I think the only fair way to do that is to establish guidelines that everyone is aware of. Otherwise you end up banning someone for something that wasn't technically illegal when they did it, but that retroactively became "illegal" in their specific case. However uncool APBs behavior may have been, you can't right the situation by creating another wrong.

The guy wont police himself though. He's just here to annoy as long as he can until he is removed. He wont stop. He has a track record.

I have no problem with the forum policing him, but if it is to be done fairly then the rules have to be made explicit to everyone ahead of time. This is what the forum admin currently has posted under "Forum Rules":

Forum rules:

Other than threads or posts revealing private and/or personal information about others members, PackerRats.com does not censor any threads or posts. However we do ask that you utilize all the rooms available for posting.

Example: If a subject is about football, post it in the Packers section. If you feel like talking about anything off topic, post it in the Romper Room section. This is not just a website decision, it was also overwhelmingly decided on by vote of PackerRats.com members. So if an off-topic thread is made in the Packers section it will be moved to the Romper Room section. No deletions, no questions asked, just categorized correctly.

PackerRats.com values the individuality of all its members and encourages them to talk about anything they wish. Whatever you post does not reflect the views or opinions of PackerRats.com. It reflects yours. Your poster reputation is determined by what you post so you control your own destiny.

Thanks for joining the PackerRats.com family. We hope you enjoy the forum and community of our site. Go Pack Go!

Why couldn't someone add a simple statement to the effect that "Repeated instances of abusive or inflammatory behavior will be cause for banning"? Otherwise, in banning someone for being a troll, you're pretty much directly contradicting the idea that "PR values the individuality of all its members and encourages them to talk about anything they wish."

Hoosier,

First off, have you ever dealt with Tank in the past? My guess is no. He doesn't stop, ever. He can be entertaining at times but mostly just annoying. If he is allowed to stay his posts will become more and more absurd and off topic. He has the ability to clog up the forums and turn this great place into the old jsonline.com forum. It was a nightmare. It got so bad we all left that forum. Why do you think packerrats was started? I can't thank Madtown and his posse enough for forming this site. I highly doubt Mad is going to let this forum suffer the same fate that the jsonline.com one did.

Second, what is with posting the rules and telling Mad to add a line? What ever happened common sense? If you come into the forum and create a problem, expect to get booted. Mad doesn't need to add anything to the rules. That type of thinking makes me sick (no offense). There are 100's, if not 1000's, of people that come to this site and have figured out how to act like adults and not get banned. But because ONE OR TWO morons can't figure it out, Mad has to change the rules? How does that make any sense?


Tank is an adult and has been warned over and over and over. Enough is enough.

[The Leaper]

What part of "you control your own destiny" do you not understand, Hoosier?

[The Leaper]

I'm not confusing anything, Leaper, I'm referring to Madtown's opening remark about "don't you just love democracy".

No, you clearly are confusing everything.

Mad hasn't banned Tank...he put it up for a vote among the forum members instead. That IS democracy, even if you think democracy is somehow fighting for the minority interest.

[hoosier]

I'm not confusing anything, Leaper, I'm referring to Madtown's opening remark about "don't you just love democracy".

No, you clearly are confusing everything.

Mad hasn't banned Tank...he put it up for a vote among the forum members instead. That IS democracy, even if you think democracy is somehow fighting for the minority interest.

I didn't say "fighting for the minority interest," I said "protecting the rights of minorities"--against the tyranny of the majority. Letting the majority decide the fate of an individual might FEEL good, but democracy it is not. It's tyranny of the majority. As Ben Franklin put it, democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. In this country at least, the principle liberty (or the defense of the rights of minorities) has always been at the heart of democracy.

[retailguy]

Good bye, good luck, good riddance.

Hoosier,

Plenty of stuff on file for violating the rules. We don't need new rules, we got him on ANY one of the existing ones.

[hoosier]

First off, have you ever dealt with Tank in the past? My guess is no. He doesn't stop, ever. He can be entertaining at times but mostly just annoying. If he is allowed to stay his posts will become more and more absurd and off topic. He has the ability to clog up the forums and turn this great place into the old jsonline.com forum. It was a nightmare. It got so bad we all left that forum. Why do you think packerrats was started? I can't thank Madtown and his posse enough for forming this site. I highly doubt Mad is going to let this forum suffer the same fate that the jsonline.com one did.

Second, what is with posting the rules and telling Mad to add a line? What ever happened common sense? If you come into the forum and create a problem, expect to get booted. Mad doesn't need to add anything to the rules. That type of thinking makes me sick (no offense). There are 100's, if not 1000's, of people that come to this site and have figured out how to act like adults and not get banned. But because ONE OR TWO morons can't figure it out, Mad has to change the rules? How does that make any sense?


Tank is an adult and has been warned over and over and over. Enough is enough.

I used to browse JSO forum before it went belly up, and my impression was that the great exodus happened not because of annoying posters but because of security problems. Whatever.

I've already stated my case for why it's important to make guidelines explicit especially when you're talking about censoring someone. I don't understand why the idea of putting that in writing makes you "sick"--after all, it was clear enough that there needed to be an explicit warning against posting personal information about other posters.

[hoosier]

Good bye, good luck, good riddance.

Hoosier,

Plenty of stuff on file for violating the rules. We don't need new rules, we got him on ANY one of the existing ones.

How so?

[retailguy]

Good bye, good luck, good riddance.

Hoosier,

Plenty of stuff on file for violating the rules. We don't need new rules, we got him on ANY one of the existing ones.

How so?

How about 35 separate user id's in ONE DAY?