THE GEOERGE W. BUSH PRESIDENCY

[Freak Out]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

[bobblehead]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

[hoosier]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

Yeah, dump em all in group homes and foster care. I guess that's where small government stops and Big Government kicks in with you libertarians, huh?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

I totally agree. Poor bush twins...look at how they suffered since their dad was an alcoholic and frequent coke user.

Taking away someone's kids because they smoke some dope....ridiculous.

[bobblehead]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

I totally agree. Poor bush twins...look at how they suffered since their dad was an alcoholic and frequent coke user.

Taking away someone's kids because they smoke some dope....ridiculous.

Yea, your right, silly me to think that we shouldn't just allow people to do whatever they want and have the rest of us pay for it. If you can afford dope, you don't need my money that I make while being drug tested to make it (in fairness I haven't been drug tested for my job in 8 years).

I wouldn't take someones kids away for non narcotic drug use if it wasn't affecting their homelife. I would take away their food stamps if they have enough money to buy reefer.

[bobblehead]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

Yeah, dump em all in group homes and foster care. I guess that's where small government stops and Big Government kicks in with you libertarians, huh?

Do you guys ever offer a solution, or just try and tear apart others? Don't you even see the point? If you can afford drugs, you don't need handouts, if you use drugs and it is affecting your parenting, you shouldn't be a parent.

Am I really that crazy to ask the people on the recieving end of my money to be drug free? I mean employers are allowed to, and you are actually providing something to them for their money.

You guys talk about welfare and such being temporary and people lifting themselves out of that situation with some gov't help, hey no problem, I'm for that. Do you really think they are helping themselves better their lives while getting drunk/high or whatever?

NO, what many liberal politicians think is, lets have them be worthless degenerates who we can depend on to be bussed to the polls and vote for us over and over while we promise to protect their handouts.

Well, I for one want better than that for them, and being on drugs isn't going to give them as a good of a chance at bettering themselves as NOT being on drugs is.

And to answer your original post hoosier, as a libertarian who wants small gov't, I am against someone being perpetually on a handout program, I am for them taking responsibility for their decisions in life. If my programs were in place this discussion wouldn't have to be made, I am addressing the current situation.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

I totally agree. Poor bush twins...look at how they suffered since their dad was an alcoholic and frequent coke user.

Taking away someone's kids because they smoke some dope....ridiculous.

Yea, your right, silly me to think that we shouldn't just allow people to do whatever they want and have the rest of us pay for it. If you can afford dope, you don't need my money that I make while being drug tested to make it (in fairness I haven't been drug tested for my job in 8 years).

I wouldn't take someones kids away for non narcotic drug use if it wasn't affecting their homelife. I would take away their food stamps if they have enough money to buy reefer.

You are switching arguments. Please try to stay on topic.

You statement was based on the welfare of the child...now you are switching.

If your argument is that..then it shouldn't matter how the money that supports the family is derived.

AS for affording dope..c'mon..are you really gonna suggest that poor people who spend 20 bucks or so for dope (but, i guess non narcotics are ok) every 2 weeks or so..are really being spendy? Is it ok if they buy a 40? You are holding people to a ridiculous standard....makes it really easy to deny them. I don't think jesus would be quite so harsh.

[bobblehead]

Actually I didn't switch the arguement, you did. This topic was drug testing for getting gov't benefits, not drug testing for parenting. Someone dropped in and said

"So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country."

Basically implying that I am cruel for wanting kids to starve, so I merely pointed out that I'm not the one being cruel to those kids...their parent is. And if said parent is doing drugs then they shouldn't have the kids.

Yes, it was based on the welfare of the kids IN THE CONTEXT of the entire thread. Its funny that you are tellin me to stay on topic when I wasn't the one to vere into "the poor children" in the first place. If you want to bring the children into the debate, I have to address it, if you want to debate people on drugs getting a handout, that is the point of the thread.

[Zool]

Could you guys consolidate your, whatever the fuck this is, to one thread ala RG and Vince.

[MadtownPacker]

Could you guys consolidate your, whatever the fuck this is, to one thread ala RG and Vince.

STFU you thread nazi.

Dont say shit or they will have to make a Mad Rooster vs lil hen Zool thread.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Could you guys consolidate your, whatever the fuck this is, to one thread ala RG and Vince.

Stop crimping my style. This is how i flirt!!

[bobblehead]

Could you guys consolidate your, whatever the fuck this is, to one thread ala RG and Vince.

Never really thought it was bobble v. tyrone, I thought it was my ideas v. his. Anyone else is welcome to chime in at any time agrreing/refuting either of us.

[Deputy Nutz]

For the purpose of getting drug tested to get your "welfare" food stamps are gimme a check welfare. It is a handout and asking one to pass a piss test to get it isn't unreasonable in my book.

So the kids can go hungry if they fail. What a sweetheart. I'm sure the system needs reform but 30 billion is what is wasted pretty fast in Iraq and your not willing to spend it in your own country.

You don't think its in the best interest of a child to find out if the parent is using drugs and then remove the child from that situation??

I totally agree. Poor bush twins...look at how they suffered since their dad was an alcoholic and frequent coke user.

Taking away someone's kids because they smoke some dope....ridiculous.

Yea, your right, silly me to think that we shouldn't just allow people to do whatever they want and have the rest of us pay for it. If you can afford dope, you don't need my money that I make while being drug tested to make it (in fairness I haven't been drug tested for my job in 8 years).

I wouldn't take someones kids away for non narcotic drug use if it wasn't affecting their homelife. I would take away their food stamps if they have enough money to buy reefer.

You are switching arguments. Please try to stay on topic.

You statement was based on the welfare of the child...now you are switching.

If your argument is that..then it shouldn't matter how the money that supports the family is derived.

AS for affording dope..c'mon..are you really gonna suggest that poor people who spend 20 bucks or so for dope (but, i guess non narcotics are ok) every 2 weeks or so..are really being spendy? Is it ok if they buy a 40? You are holding people to a ridiculous standard....makes it really easy to deny them. I don't think jesus would be quite so harsh.

He is being harsh for good reason, if you are so desperate to take food stamps then you shouldn't have twenty bucks laying around so you can buy a bag of dope, a rock of crack, a couple of cases of beer. I am for food stamps, and state provided health care for families that have children, I don't think it is fair to with hold food from the kids because the parents using drugs. I am sick though of seeing mommy resell her food stamps for say 20 cents on the dollar for a little cash money to spend on drugs, the hair salon, or whatever else besides what the food stamps were meant for, feeding the family.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Could you guys consolidate your, whatever the fuck this is, to one thread ala RG and Vince.

Never really thought it was bobble v. tyrone, I thought it was my ideas v. his. Anyone else is welcome to chime in at any time agrreing/refuting either of us.

What i thought we had something special. You are just a big tease.

Me and Mr.Bobblehead
We got a thing goin'on
We both know that it's wrong
But it's much too strong
To let it go now

[bobblehead]

Look just cuz I did it once when I was young and needed the money doesn't mean I want a relationship.