Obama's Theocratic Socialist Agenda

[Kiwon]

Legislation for reparations to African-Americans is coming. It's time for you guilty whites to pay up. Stop with the excuses. Relinquish your "white entitlement" by surrendering the benefits gained via America's historical injustices. Your ancestors incurred the debt but you must pay it.

Obama pal, Father Michael Pfleger, tells it like it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWigzBClEk8

Why is Obama drawn to people like this? Because they share the same vision. They believe that God has ordained them to be prophetic voices and His instruments in the reshaping of America. Liberation Theology meets neo-Stalinism in Obama's Theocratic Socialist Agenda.

(Note that the current senior pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ, Rev. Otis Moss III, praises Rev. Pfleger's remarks saying, "Thank God for the message and we thank God for the messenger. We thank God for Father Michael Pfleger." This is the warped environment Barack and Michelle Obama chose for themselves and to raise their daughters in for 20 years.)

[SkinBasket]

Well, you know, Obama is "disappointed" by these remarks, which I'm sure he's never heard before. It's all just coincidence that these people in his close circles keep exposing themselves as racists, extremists, and divisive asshats I'm sure.

How quick the black community turned on the wife of "our first black president" is quite astounding.

[Freak Out]

Thank goodness we have a Congress......oh wait.....I forgot about all that executive privilege that comes with the modern Presidency.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is all pretty damn funny.

Honestly, I doubt Obama even remotely believes in any of the radical crap. I believe him when he says he lives to be a uniter, tries to bridge the gap between different kinds of people. So he joins a black church, where he sits in the back, awkwardly tries to clap along. The guy didn't believe in God when he joined the church, I doubt Obama is sincerely religious today. Next thing you know he's tied to a nutcase minister. And now more nutty guys passing through the church.

[Kiwon]

This is all pretty damn funny.

Father Pfleger is a entertaining speaker. He'd make a great wrestling manager back in the day.

Honestly, I doubt Obama even remotely believes in any of the radical crap.......So he joins a black church, where he sits in the back, awkwardly tries to clap along. The guy didn't believe in God when he joined the church, I doubt Obama is sincerely religious today...

The "Committed Christian" ads used by the Obama campaign in January (South Carolina) and May (Kentucky) are clear and unambiguous. Obama was surprisingly non-PC and uses standard Christian lingo to express his personal faith. To assert that it's all a ruse is a devastating charge. That's not "Change we can believe in."

Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com stepped into it with his readers when he highlighted Obama's overt religious stance. Back in January, Greenwald went through contortions to avoid criticizing Obama and used Huckabee as a foil to deflect attention from what actually said.

(Finally, just to underscore the point (again), I'm not arguing that Obama has done anything wrong here. As I said, I thought much of the criticism of Huckabee for making overt religious appeals was overblown because that's become the norm for our political culture. My point is simply that, with regard to this specific tactic of appealing to voters based on shared religious beliefs, Huckabee and Obama seem to be engaged in more or less the same exercise, and therefore, it's irrational to criticize one while defending the other. - http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...ama/index.html )

However, it's not January any longer and Obama and his ads and his words stand alone.

The charge leveled against Hillary is one of entitlement. But I think Obama believes that he is not only entitled, but also ordained by God to be a transformational change agent in American history.

The mainstream media used to go nuts contemplating the ultimate motivations of a Pat Robertson presidential bid. Well, the scenario they feared is coming true….just under a different candidate, the one that they almost unanimously endorse.

[Harlan Huckleby]

But I think Obama believes that he is not only entitled, but also ordained by God to be a transformational change agent in American history.

What is your evidence that Obama is religiously zealous?

I said without evidence that I suspect Obama isn't genuinely religous, that is just a hunch. I hardly consider it a devastating charge, a requirement for public office in our country is that every candidate must put on a display of religiosity. It means nothing. We are a ridiculous people.

[Kiwon]

But I think Obama believes that he is not only entitled, but also ordained by God to be a transformational change agent in American history.

What is your evidence that Obama is religiously zealous?

I said without evidence that I suspect Obama isn't genuinely religous, that is just a hunch. I hardly consider it a devastating charge, a requirement for public office in our country is that every candidate must put on a display of religiosity. It means nothing. We are a ridiculous people.

A better question is why do you believe that he is so insincere? Where is your evidence to discount his personal testimony? Why don't you believe his own words?

[Harlan Huckleby]

A better question is why do you believe that he is so insincere? Where is your evidence to discount his personal testimony? Why don't you believe his own words?

Your question is no better than mine, so maybe you will answer it.

BO is a wealthy man who has been preoccupied with rising up the power structures. Not that many harvard-educated people with no religious background turn to religion in midlife. And it was absolutely necessary for him to do so as a politician. I can't say with any certainty what he really believes, I just have my own hunch.

And to close the loop with the other thread, Obama claims to be against gay marriage. Do you believe that is true? I doubt, it is another political calculation.

After learning a little more about this latest pastor-gate, this is pretty damaging to Obama. I didn't realize that the Pastor introducing the nutty guy is the New Age version of Jermiah Wright, the supposedly updated model to bring the congregation into modern times. Now there can be no more deflection that the Rev just made some isolated, intemperate remarks in church. Clearly the church itself is highly politicized.

[texaspackerbacker]

Harlan Huckleby wrote:
Honestly, I doubt Obama even remotely believes in any of the radical crap.......So he joins a black church, where he sits in the back, awkwardly tries to clap along. The guy didn't believe in God when he joined the church, I doubt Obama is sincerely religious today...
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Obama has the audacity to hope he can con the voters into thinking exactly like you, Harlan. Not that this radical crap is even remotely religious.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Obama didn't have to "con" me into anything. I'm just making educated guesses based on his profile and personality. Your dark mind may have him pegged as an extremist, that's also just a guess.

There is very little evidence to fix Obama's real political views. Joemailman says he is going to govern as a centrist. There is nothing in his record to indicate this. Then again, the positions on his website are vaguely centrist.

Barack Obama is like Austin Powers - an international man of mystery. And I am adamantly against electing someone to the presidency who has so little record on a national stage, we have no sense who he is beyond a marketing campaign. Obamatics are fond of comparing BO to JFK, but they neglect to mention that JFK served complete terms in Congress and the Sentate before running for office.

The left of the Democratic party seems to think he is one of them. Who knows. But if they are correct, I want nothing to do with him, because those people have acted like animals of late.

Back to Kiwon's question about Barack's religious sincerity: I thought Obama's comments about "clinging to religion", delivered to fellow elites in a private meeting, is a strong indicator of who he really is. Then again, I share his view (as I suspect it to be) that Christianity is little different from Shamanism, or Islam, or oujee boards, or yoga classes. I think its all a bunch of hocus pocus. So it is easy for me to see Obama this way.

[texaspackerbacker]

I would assert that their is plenty of evidence of Obama's extremism.

To begin with you have his voting record--objectively characterized as the most liberal in the Senate. He voted against every security measure that ever came along.

Then you have tons of political statements and positions he took in his early years, before evolving into a national politician who was more careful to cloak his extremism. He could easily be labedled an out-of-the-closet socialist, based on that rhetoric.

Then you have his current positions, including unconditional negotiation with lunatics and terrorist supporters like Ahmedinijad, his commitment to rapid withdrawal that amounts to surrender in Iraq, his commitment to raising taxes--which will ruin the economy, and his overall disdain for American Exceptionalism--and America in general.

And finally, you have a distnct pattern emerging of his association with the rottenest kind of avowed America-haters (as opposed to the kind who cloak their extremism)--people like William Ayres, who actually bombed the Pentagon and the NYC Police HQ (why the hell isn't he locked up forever?) and then said he hadn't done enough just 6 or 7 years ago, Rev. Wright and Father Pflaggert--the vilest kind of haters and racists, etc. Sure, you can say these aren't Obama's stated views, but they certainly are people he has felt comfortable with for a long time, and is only condemning them (mildly) now that it is hurting them politically.

That's not enough EVIDENCE for you?

[Harlan Huckleby]

You just have to go point by point and compare Obama's positions with Dennis Kusinich and see that he has positioned himself (more or less) in the center. What he really believes is subject to speculation because of his short record.

Most dramatically: Obama never voted to withhold funding for the Iraq War, as real anti-war politicians did. (well, except for a ridiculous, symbolic vote in spring of 07 that all Dem candidates went along with.)

Obama opposes a single-payer health care system.

(Ya know, the more I list these points, maybe I should write-in Kusinich!)

[bobblehead]

my dark mind has him pegged as a guy who is sponsoring and pushing a national sales tax that amounts to about 8500/person on average so we can hand it over to the UN.

I know, that's just me being silly....oh wait, no, he actually is.

[Harlan Huckleby]

pushing a national sales tax that amounts to about 8500/person on average so we can hand it over to the UN.

I know, that's just me being silly....oh wait, no, he actually is.

Do you think the U.N. will take the money in dollars, or will they demand Euros?

you're far beyond silly, you're beyond Jeremiah Wright paranoia if you believe this.

[bobblehead]

http://www.nationalledger.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=22&num=18845

edit, this link is better:

http://rofasix.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-un-tax.html

yea, I'm nutty. I was wrong, its not a sales tax, its a GNP tax.

for those to lazy to click, i'll paste a line:


The problem of course is that the bill also means the US will have to meet the requirement to give 0.7% of their GDP to the UN to do it. Currently only Denmark, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden meet that level. At the other end of the spectrum are the "laggard" states and their percent of GDP: Italy (.15%), US (.16%), Japan (.19%).

It comes down to one fact. This is a global tax, a UN mandated tax, and the leading Democratic contender for President is it's leading advocate. That should bother voters a lot more than whether Obama supporters in Houston display flags with Che Guevara on it.