The Great Bankrupt USA

[Scott Campbell]

Just remember that while solar is wonderful and costs only the equipment used to collect the energy, it does still require space even with Fresnel lenses.

Then there's the batteries, and replacement batteries, and disposing of batteries.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just remember that while solar is wonderful and costs only the equipment used to collect the energy, it does still require space even with Fresnel lenses.

When people talk about solar, they aren't talking about it the way you are..they are banking on solar thermal.

[MJZiggy]

You mean like this. Anyone have eSolar stock?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9959107-54.html

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You mean like this. Anyone have eSolar stock?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9959107-54.html

Yes. Exactly.

I posted about this to Partail...which he of course dismissed.

The plans are already out there for a massive solar system in NM...would power the whole country.

There is also a ton of windpower to be harvested from the midwest.

In order for this to happen we need to get our national grid together..similar to what occured with the internet.

Interesting fact, one of the landfills in/outside of L.A. (think it is Puented Hills) produces enough methane which is then burned to create power..enough to power 70K homes.

[texaspackerbacker]

Nice to see the positive posting.

If indeed, solar does become that feasible that soon, it will alleviate a lot of the world's problems of all kinds. On a political level, we mainly need to make sure that the forces of evil who favor tyranny, depravity, and ignorance are kept down long enough for technology to flourish that way.

The prosperity and comfort brought on by cheap easy energy, combined with freedom and representative government is a formula for the kind of world conservatives and liberals both would like to see--but that liberals have such a horribly flawed way of enabling.

Economically, it's my contention that doing nothing different--continuing the use of debt to keep things afloat would work very well--no reason why it shouldn't. If, however, cheap energy brings the prospect of making life even better with less government spending, fine. I think we could survive a mild deflationary trend.

[bobblehead]

I do accept the reality that technology is on the verge of a boom we don't quite comprehend in which case life as we know it will change drastically and any problems I am forseeing, won't be a very big deal...as a matter of fact I am hoping very much for that, but I have seen many cases of corrupt legislature, and misplaced morality holding down advances. I think that we will blow right past those issues, but in the meantimes I like to debate so....what the hey. I also think when I talk about defeating aging and illness within 20 years people think I'm plum crazy so I avoid the issue except through anonymity

[Freak Out]

Quiz time.....Anyone know what our national (DOE) policy is in regards to solar energy?

[Freak Out]

McCain Raises Concerns About Subsidies for Solar Power

Posted By Mary Lu Carnevale On May 13, 2008 @ 8:59 pm In Campaign 2008 |

Laura Meckler and Stephen Power report on the presidential race.

Sen. John McCain made clear today that he is not comfortable with subsidies for solar power, though he has supported incentives for nuclear power plants and thinks more federal support is needed to encourage the industry.

At a roundtable conducted in the foggy foothills of the Cascade Mountains in North Bend, Wash., McCain listened to the chief executive of REI, the outdoor recreation and clothing cooperative, explain what her company is doing to minimize its impact on the climate. He asked her a simple question: “What do you want me to do?”

Sally Jewel replied, “It’s a great question,” and went on to explain that REI plans to open 10 solar-powered stores in Arizona, California and Oregon (in sunnier markets, she noted, than the rain-soaked one he was in at the moment). The problem, she said, is there are no federal incentives to help defray the costs.

“There isn’t anything significant on the federal side to help us make the right decisions,” she said. “We’re trying to do the right thing without really any incentives.”

McCain replied that he preferred for the federal government to invest in research and development, not subsidies.

“I’m a little wary–I have to give you straight talk–about government subsidies,” he said. He cited his long-time opposition to ethanol subsidies, which have helped push up the price of corn and increase the price of food.

“When government jumps in and distorts the market, then there’s unintended consequences as well as intended,” he said.

He said over-subsidization of the solar industry in the 1970s led to “some pretty shoddy material.”

But he does support help for nuclear power plants, which he hails as a clean technology that can help reduce carbon emissions. He told reporters at a news conference that a pending Senate bill on climate change, which would establish industry limits on emissions that he favors, needs to add more help for nuclear power.

“It doesn’t go far enough as far as nuclear power is concerned in my estimation,” he said.

An aide to the Arizona senator said Tuesday that McCain hasn’t decided exactly what form of support is needed, but that it likely will be “consistent with” past measures he has supported that would have directed hundreds of millions of dollars to the construction of new nuclear plants.

[bobblehead]

You mean like this. Anyone have eSolar stock?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9959107-54.html

Yes. Exactly.

I posted about this to Partail...which he of course dismissed.

The plans are already out there for a massive solar system in NM...would power the whole country.

There is also a ton of windpower to be harvested from the midwest.

In order for this to happen we need to get our national grid together..similar to what occured with the internet.

Interesting fact, one of the landfills in/outside of L.A. (think it is Puented Hills) produces enough methane which is then burned to create power..enough to power 70K homes.

Another case of me agreeing with tyrone...I gotta rethink this Honestly though, this is another case of the free market solving a problem. All the gov't subsidies to companies that didn't do shit to advance the technology and its free market that is coming up with the real answers.

[Freak Out]

You mean like this. Anyone have eSolar stock?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9959107-54.html

Yes. Exactly.

I posted about this to Partail...which he of course dismissed.

The plans are already out there for a massive solar system in NM...would power the whole country.

There is also a ton of windpower to be harvested from the midwest.

In order for this to happen we need to get our national grid together..similar to what occured with the internet.

Interesting fact, one of the landfills in/outside of L.A. (think it is Puented Hills) produces enough methane which is then burned to create power..enough to power 70K homes.

Another case of me agreeing with tyrone...I gotta rethink this Honestly though, this is another case of the free market solving a problem. All the gov't subsidies to companies that didn't do shit to advance the technology and its free market that is coming up with the real answers.

The State of California mandated the change..and the State offers some pretty substantial incentives to go solar.

[texaspackerbacker]

I do accept the reality that technology is on the verge of a boom we don't quite comprehend in which case life as we know it will change drastically and any problems I am forseeing, won't be a very big deal...as a matter of fact I am hoping very much for that, but I have seen many cases of corrupt legislature, and misplaced morality holding down advances. I think that we will blow right past those issues, but in the meantimes I like to debate so....what the hey. I also think when I talk about defeating aging and illness within 20 years people think I'm plum crazy so I avoid the issue except through anonymity

Did you mean "do accept"? Or did you leave out a "not"?

I'm not up enough on the technology to do much more than take it on faith what was said.

What i will say for certain, though, is that cheap renewable energy, if in fact, it becomes available, will be a virtual panacea for many of the world's problems--that is provided America has not fallen from dominance by that time, leaving the world in the hands of the purveyors of tyranny, ignorance, poverty, genocide, etc.

THAT could easily be the Obama legacy, based on all of his horrendous stated positions--if in fact, he gets in office.

Not only would America suffer, but the whole freedom-loving world.

Let's think positive, though. Obama goes down to defeat; America survives/stays dominant; Cheap energy becomes reality; And the world benefits.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You mean like this. Anyone have eSolar stock?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9959107-54.html

Yes. Exactly.

I posted about this to Partail...which he of course dismissed.

The plans are already out there for a massive solar system in NM...would power the whole country.

There is also a ton of windpower to be harvested from the midwest.

In order for this to happen we need to get our national grid together..similar to what occured with the internet.

Interesting fact, one of the landfills in/outside of L.A. (think it is Puented Hills) produces enough methane which is then burned to create power..enough to power 70K homes.

Another case of me agreeing with tyrone...I gotta rethink this Honestly though, this is another case of the free market solving a problem. All the gov't subsidies to companies that didn't do shit to advance the technology and its free market that is coming up with the real answers.

The dark side is strong within you young bobblehead.

Bobblehead, i am your father!