All anyone needs to know in November

[Tarlam!]

Re: All anyone needs to know in November

To me, the Arabs are a far warmer, more giving host than what I met with in Israel. Exactly the opposite of what I expected. Having met with both peoples on the ground, it is easy for me to understand why the want to kill eachother.

The good news is, I think a majority in the Middle East are becoming fed up with the bloodshed and genuinely want peace.

The vast majority of people in the middle east and the world want what should be their birthright. Freedom. That's it....they don't want to kill us. The problem is we still support (directly or indirectly) far to many foreign governments that continue to oppress their citizens.

Interesting and true. So, you want want anybody burned on this specifically? You want Jews or Arabs torched? Or Afghanis? Iranians?

[retailguy]

Re: All anyone needs to know in November

To me, the Arabs are a far warmer, more giving host than what I met with in Israel. Exactly the opposite of what I expected. Having met with both peoples on the ground, it is easy for me to understand why the want to kill eachother.

The good news is, I think a majority in the Middle East are becoming fed up with the bloodshed and genuinely want peace.

The vast majority of people in the middle east and the world want what should be their birthright. Freedom. That's it....they don't want to kill us. The problem is we still support (directly or indirectly) far to many foreign governments that continue to oppress their citizens.

Freak, I'm not so sure that's true. On the surface you'd like to believe it, however, in reality that's not what we're experiencing.

In the Middle East, I'm not sure they "want" freedom. What they "want" is land. The land that God gave the israelites, that the arab's believe is theirs. I think this "want" trumps the want for freedom.

Freedom, if it's important, (I think)is secondary. I recognize that the Bible has little weight with you, and that's fine, I don't want a religious discussion with anybody, but, according to that Bible, this war over the promised land will never end... I think we need to keep trying, but, ultimately I don't believe we'll succeed in stopping wars in the Middle East.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: All anyone needs to know in November

To me, the Arabs are a far warmer, more giving host than what I met with in Israel. Exactly the opposite of what I expected. Having met with both peoples on the ground, it is easy for me to understand why the want to kill eachother.

The good news is, I think a majority in the Middle East are becoming fed up with the bloodshed and genuinely want peace.

The vast majority of people in the middle east and the world want what should be their birthright. Freedom. That's it....they don't want to kill us. The problem is we still support (directly or indirectly) far to many foreign governments that continue to oppress their citizens.

Freak, I'm not so sure that's true. On the surface you'd like to believe it, however, in reality that's not what we're experiencing.

In the Middle East, I'm not sure they "want" freedom. What they "want" is land. The land that God gave the israelites, that the arab's believe is theirs. I think this "want" trumps the want for freedom.

Freedom, if it's important, (I think)is secondary. I recognize that the Bible has little weight with you, and that's fine, I don't want a religious discussion with anybody, but, according to that Bible, this war over the promised land will never end... I think we need to keep trying, but, ultimately I don't believe we'll succeed in stopping wars in the Middle East.

You are missing the point. Most the arab countries citizens want freedom...do you think they like having ruling elites?

The state of israel is of little concern to those destitute, with little opportunity in most of the middle east.

[Freak Out]

I should clarify that I was not referring to the Arab-Israeli issue alone. There are many other examples in that part of the world. Some are close "Allies" of ours.

The Arab-Israeli issue is something else entirely and one that we could really get throwing some haymakers over if we put the effort into it.

[Freak Out]

Re: All anyone needs to know in November

To me, the Arabs are a far warmer, more giving host than what I met with in Israel. Exactly the opposite of what I expected. Having met with both peoples on the ground, it is easy for me to understand why the want to kill eachother.

The good news is, I think a majority in the Middle East are becoming fed up with the bloodshed and genuinely want peace.

The vast majority of people in the middle east and the world want what should be their birthright. Freedom. That's it....they don't want to kill us. The problem is we still support (directly or indirectly) far to many foreign governments that continue to oppress their citizens.

Freak, I'm not so sure that's true. On the surface you'd like to believe it, however, in reality that's not what we're experiencing.

In the Middle East, I'm not sure they "want" freedom. What they "want" is land. The land that God gave the israelites, that the arab's believe is theirs. I think this "want" trumps the want for freedom.

Freedom, if it's important, (I think)is secondary. I recognize that the Bible has little weight with you, and that's fine, I don't want a religious discussion with anybody, but, according to that Bible, this war over the promised land will never end... I think we need to keep trying, but, ultimately I don't believe we'll succeed in stopping wars in the Middle East.

You are missing the point. Most the arab countries citizens want freedom...do you think they like having ruling elites?

The state of israel is of little concern to those destitute, with little opportunity in most of the middle east.

Bingo bango bongo.

[retailguy]

Re: All anyone needs to know in November

You are missing the point. Most the arab countries citizens want freedom...do you think they like having ruling elites?

The state of israel is of little concern to those destitute, with little opportunity in most of the middle east.

Tyrone, while I'm not as much of a "free thinker" as you are, I didn't miss the point. I am not convinced that all arab's want "freedom". I think as Americans we all want to believe that everyone aspires to be like us, but I'm not convinced that's true.

Do they want ruling elites? No probably not, but, in fairness that's a different question. Many people of all races, and countries want strong leaders. I think they'll willing give up freedom for a strong fair leader.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. And for the record, I disagree that all/most arabs want freedom. Maybe you should spend a little time understanding their culture, and their religion. Freedom isn't high on the agenda.

[retailguy]

I should clarify that I was not referring to the Arab-Israeli issue alone. There are many other examples in that part of the world. Some are close "Allies" of ours.

The Arab-Israeli issue is something else entirely and one that we could really get throwing some haymakers over if we put the effort into it.

Completely agree. I want no part of that debate. Religious debates with the convinced never solve anything, and all it would do is turn you off even farther than you already are. I have no desire to contribute to that. I'll leave that to someone else, since I'm powerless to stop them. The older I get the more I try to bite my tongue... Sometimes I'm not very good at it, but it's not for lack of effort.

As to the rest of the world, I agree, people want freedom from oppression, but there are many examples where that freedom is different from our freedoms.... But, point taken.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Re: All anyone needs to know in November

You are missing the point. Most the arab countries citizens want freedom...do you think they like having ruling elites?

The state of israel is of little concern to those destitute, with little opportunity in most of the middle east.

Tyrone, while I'm not as much of a "free thinker" as you are, I didn't miss the point. I am not convinced that all arab's want "freedom". I think as Americans we all want to believe that everyone aspires to be like us, but I'm not convinced that's true.

Do they want ruling elites? No probably not, but, in fairness that's a different question. Many people of all races, and countries want strong leaders. I think they'll willing give up freedom for a strong fair leader.

Unfortunately, that doesn't happen. And for the record, I disagree that all/most arabs want freedom. Maybe you should spend a little time understanding their culture, and their religion. Freedom isn't high on the agenda.

Get serious. All people want to be free..free to live, free to enjoy life, free to make a living or not make a living.

Really? If that is the case...then why are we involved in building democracies over there?

Funny, you might wanna talk to Prez bush about Iraq and Lebanon. He seems to disagree with you.

[Iron Mike]

The only thing you need to remember in November is this:

Quantum of Solace

Fixed.

I saw it last night. I was entertained.