Obama's Balls OK?

[bobblehead]

Re: Obama's Balls OK?

collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility.''

Collective moral responsibility? I wish he would stop pushing HIS morals on me. And anyway, what about the separation of Church and State?

he means that we as a people have a moral obligation to help uplift the poor and struggling. This is value at the center of Christianity, and also shared by other religions as well as non-religous people.

I agree fully with this. We are morally obligated to create a society where the downtrodden can get jobs and support their families. We are morally obligated to get out of the way of those that create and innovate and raise the standard of living of everyone.

That is what you meant isn't it??

[HowardRoark]

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collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility.''

Collective moral responsibility? I wish he would stop pushing HIS morals on me. And anyway, what about the separation of Church and State?

he means that we as a people have a moral obligation to help uplift the poor and struggling. This is value at the center of Christianity, and also shared by other religions as well as non-religous people.

I agree fully with this. We are morally obligated to create a society where the downtrodden can get jobs and support their families. We are morally obligated to get out of the way of those that create and innovate and raise the standard of living of everyone.

That is what you meant isn't it??

As long as this does not require capital, then it is OK. Capital is evil, and should be confiscated. Well, not all capital. Just capital above $250,000/year.

What? You say that the capital above $250,000/yr. is typically the capital that actually produces new jobs and innovation?

Greedy bastard.

[sheepshead]

Ever notice it's the Democrats pointing out to us the colors of a mans skin CONSTANTLY??? like Daily?

[HowardRoark]

I am usually not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I DO believe that Obama certainly has read The Prince. He’s got some Machiavellian tendancies.

The so called “public divorce” with Rev. Wright. Could that have worked out any better for Barack? How else could he get that issue behind him so quick?

Now this. The one thing for certain is that Jesse’s comments will help Obama in the polls. White voters who might have otherwise been on the fence about voting for a black man will look upon the Rev. Jackson’s attack as a reason to vote for Obama.

Where is Oliver Stone?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Obama's Balls OK?

collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility.''

Collective moral responsibility? I wish he would stop pushing HIS morals on me. And anyway, what about the separation of Church and State?

he means that we as a people have a moral obligation to help uplift the poor and struggling. This is value at the center of Christianity, and also shared by other religions as well as non-religous people.

I agree fully with this. We are morally obligated to create a society where the downtrodden can get jobs and support their families. We are morally obligated to get out of the way of those that create and innovate and raise the standard of living of everyone.

That is what you meant isn't it??

I believe it is possible to be pro-business and be in favor of insuring that all boats are lifted. For instance, the biggest problem we have right now is inferior public education, especially in poor areas, and fixing that is not anti-business. I am for low business taxes and free trade.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Obama's Balls OK?

I am for low business taxes and free trade.

I thought you were for high taxes and free handouts?

[bobblehead]

Re: Obama's Balls OK?

collective moral responsibility of government and the public policy which would be a corrective action for the lack of good choices that often led to their irresponsibility.''

Collective moral responsibility? I wish he would stop pushing HIS morals on me. And anyway, what about the separation of Church and State?

he means that we as a people have a moral obligation to help uplift the poor and struggling. This is value at the center of Christianity, and also shared by other religions as well as non-religous people.

I agree fully with this. We are morally obligated to create a society where the downtrodden can get jobs and support their families. We are morally obligated to get out of the way of those that create and innovate and raise the standard of living of everyone.

That is what you meant isn't it??

I believe it is possible to be pro-business and be in favor of insuring that all boats are lifted. For instance, the biggest problem we have right now is inferior public education, especially in poor areas, and fixing that is not anti-business. I am for low business taxes and free trade.

so you support tommy thompsons school voucher plan that would break the teachers union?

[Harlan Huckleby]

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so you support tommy thompsons school voucher plan that would break the teachers union?

i didn't realize that was the goal of school choice.

[mraynrand]

Re: Obama's Balls OK?

so you support tommy thompsons school voucher plan that would break the teachers union?

i didn't realize that was the goal of school choice.

It may not be the goal, but it may be a consequence. Still, answer the question - are you in favor of school vouchers?

[Harlan Huckleby]

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answer the question

after answering it, will you be shouting "AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN!" until I break?

I am against school vouchers for the purpose of union busting or weakening public education.

I am for school vouchers, or any other approach, that can be shown to bring results. The outcome of Tommy Thompson's experiment has been mixed.

The only problem I have with vouchers is that they should not be alloted in dollar amounts. They should be given as "tuition for one semester", or some such thing. Otherwise they just become a partial subsidity for attendance at expensive private schools that are still going to be out of reach of many families.

[HowardRoark]

Re: Obama's Balls OK?

answer the question

after answering it, will you be shouting "AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN!" until I break?

I am against school vouchers for the purpose of union busting or weakening public education.

I am for school vouchers, or any other approach, that can be shown to bring results. The outcome of Tommy Thompson's experiment has been mixed.

The only problem I have with vouchers is that they should not be alloted in dollar amounts. They should be given as "tuition for one semester", or some such thing. Otherwise they just become a partial subsidity for attendance at expensive private schools that are still going to be out of reach of many families.

I agree with your assessment that it will not change the upper end (upper end meaning highest tuition) of the education system. That’s how the math would work. But on the other side of the equation, it surely would wash out the worst of the teachers. You mentioned earlier that you are for rising tides that raise all ships. This is certainly one instance that would accomplish your goal.

As far as "tuition for one semester", I think that would actually make the system worse. Without some kind of currency, a market for education, how can the “Invisible Hand” reward the best and punish the worst educators?

I have never understood why intelligent, well spoken friends of mine who are teachers in the government school system are so afraid of a free market in their business. Clearly they would end up better off, but yet they are afraid. Why the fear?

[Harlan Huckleby]

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As far as "tuition for one semester", I think that would actually make the system worse. Without some kind of currency, a market for education, how can the “Invisible Hand” reward the best and punish the worst educators?

Whether the voucher is for "a semester tuition" as opposed to a fixed dollar amount has nothing to do with the Invisible Hand you speak of. Although it does create another problem (cost control) that I haven't thought through.

I have never understood why intelligent, well spoken friends of mine who are teachers in the government school system are so afraid of a free market in their business. Clearly they would end up better off, but yet they are afraid. Why the fear?

Vouchers have the potential to make public schools even worse. If the public schools are largely abandoned, they become a struggling repository for the people who can't leave, for one reason or another. Private schools don't serve the VERY expensive demands of special needs students, for instance. Some poor people may not be able to afford the transportation and hidden costs of a private school, even with vouchers.

Public schools are a core of our society. They need to be fixed, not abandoned. IF closing some public schools and having a greater mix of private schools helps improve quality, great. But we should be very skeptical. The disparity in education in this country is a disgrace. I doubt that vouchers are targeted to close this gap. We have experiments underway, lets see what the results show.

[Scott Campbell]

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Public schools are a core of our society. They need to be fixed, not abandoned.

I see. So how many of your own kids have you put in public school?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

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Public schools are a core of our society. They need to be fixed, not abandoned.

I see. So how many of your own kids have you put in public school?

Not your shining moment.

Harlan and the rest of us childless adults have PAID for your children to attend public schools.

Just say thank you. It is the least you can do.

[Scott Campbell]

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Just say thank you.

I thank you Tryone. Society thanks you. For not having children.