Obama's Balls OK?

[HowardRoark]

Go down to the Phoenix Children's E.R. tomorrow. Bring your I-Phone, report what you see.

I am not Tex.

I think there is a problem with the system right now. But the solution, I think, is to make it more market driven. Or, I should say...market driven.

Ah, market driven..your answer for health care and education.

Please explain the nature of the free market and non intervention when it comes to conservatives.

I'm curious as to how you rationalize intervention in:

1. The treasury lending money to Morgan to buy Bear.
2. The gov't involvement in IndyMac
3. the treasury and banks trying to shed bad assets. (superfund)
4. The s&l crisis.

Please refer to my thread, Moral Hazards and Happy Meals for the Circle Jerk.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=13174

I see nothing there that explains to me how you rationalize intervention.

When did I rationalize said intervention?

I asked the question. YOu said look at the thread..therefore it is in answer to my rationalization question.

NOw, you come back with "when did i..." Strange.

Please explain how gov't intervention is ok in these instances...certainly it isnt' the free market.

And, after that, i'd like you to explain what will happen in a similar instance in the education market.

I posed a question to the Circle Jerk, aka Conservative members of this forum, to get feedback on what their opinions were.

Sane people understand.

Please refer to my post on page 5, Problem Solving Techniques.

Please give me an analogous situation vis-a-vis Education and Level III debt.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Go down to the Phoenix Children's E.R. tomorrow. Bring your I-Phone, report what you see.

I am not Tex.

I think there is a problem with the system right now. But the solution, I think, is to make it more market driven. Or, I should say...market driven.

Ah, market driven..your answer for health care and education.

Please explain the nature of the free market and non intervention when it comes to conservatives.

I'm curious as to how you rationalize intervention in:

1. The treasury lending money to Morgan to buy Bear.
2. The gov't involvement in IndyMac
3. the treasury and banks trying to shed bad assets. (superfund)
4. The s&l crisis.

Please refer to my thread, Moral Hazards and Happy Meals for the Circle Jerk.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=13174

I see nothing there that explains to me how you rationalize intervention.

When did I rationalize said intervention?

I asked the question. YOu said look at the thread..therefore it is in answer to my rationalization question.

NOw, you come back with "when did i..." Strange.

Please explain how gov't intervention is ok in these instances...certainly it isnt' the free market.

And, after that, i'd like you to explain what will happen in a similar instance in the education market.

I posed a question to the Circle Jerk, aka Conservative members of this forum, to get feedback on what their opinions were.

Sane people understand.

Please refer to my post on page 5, Problem Solving Techniques.

Please give me an analogous situation vis-a-vis Education and Level III debt.

Posing a question, and very general at that..isn't the same as answering. You didn't answer yourself.

So, i guess the answer is...whenever conservs feel it is necessary, then it is OK?

Education: If a corp takes over education (or rather, let's say one of the ones that is already trying to be successful....yeah, not really successful, but let's just leave that part out) and then FAILS...and can't meet their duty...either to the payroll, etc...what are you and the rest of the conservs going to do? How are we going to solve that problem...and, most importantly, how will affect the education of the kids.

And, should we get involved? isn't that the free market?

[HowardRoark]

Education: If a corp takes over education (or rather, let's say one of the ones that is already trying to be successful....yeah, not really successful, but let's just leave that part out) and then FAILS...and can't meet their duty...either to the payroll, etc...what are you and the rest of the conservs going to do? How are we going to solve that problem...and, most importantly, how will affect the education of the kids.

And, should we get involved? isn't that the free market?

Bravo, otown. You actually put together a well thought out question without an ad hominem attack.

[texaspackerbacker]

Howard, are you saying Tyrone=OTown?

That would explain a few things ........ I always knew the bastard wasn't really black.

It's a little bit surprising, though. The old OTown occasionally posted something of substance, even though virtually always wrongheaded. The Tyrone persona doesn't even display that much substance and intellect.

[MJZiggy]

A couple years back, on a site that no longer exists, there was a thread that I've just been reminded of. In just one of these flame wars, my hero bananaman made a post that said something to the effect of "we need a change in topic. New topic, ass hair!" (my apologies to the banana if this is a little off--I'm doing a years old post from memory.

Anyway, what ensued was the funniest damn thread I've ever read in my life.

For some reason, this thread reminded me of that. Just thought I'd share. Carry on.

[Freak Out]

A couple years back, on a site that no longer exists, there was a thread that I've just been reminded of. In just one of these flame wars, my hero bananaman made a post that said something to the effect of "we need a change in topic. New topic, ass hair!" (my apologies to the banana if this is a little off--I'm doing a years old post from memory.

Anyway, what ensued was the funniest damn thread I've ever read in my life.

For some reason, this thread reminded me of that. Just thought I'd share. Carry on.

Ass hair? Not something most people talk about but I can see where it could lead to some interesting discussion.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Education: If a corp takes over education (or rather, let's say one of the ones that is already trying to be successful....yeah, not really successful, but let's just leave that part out) and then FAILS...and can't meet their duty...either to the payroll, etc...what are you and the rest of the conservs going to do? How are we going to solve that problem...and, most importantly, how will affect the education of the kids.

And, should we get involved? isn't that the free market?

Bravo, otown. You actually put together a well thought out question without an ad hominem attack.

You like me, you really like me.

I have put out many well thought out questions...like the one you refuse to answer.

I await that answer as well as this one.

[HowardRoark]

Howard, are you saying Tyrone=OTown?

That would explain a few things ........ I always knew the bastard wasn't really black.

Connect the dots...........

black; when did he ever sya he was black? Typical of you conservatives

bastard; rich

explain; let me explain a few things about my knowledge of the word explain

Howard; I ate pizza for lunch....now I need to cut the lawn.

Sound familiar?

[HowardRoark]

Education: If a corp takes over education (or rather, let's say one of the ones that is already trying to be successful....yeah, not really successful, but let's just leave that part out) and then FAILS...and can't meet their duty...either to the payroll, etc...what are you and the rest of the conservs going to do? How are we going to solve that problem...and, most importantly, how will affect the education of the kids.

And, should we get involved? isn't that the free market?

Bravo, otown. You actually put together a well thought out question without an ad hominem attack.

You like me, you really like me.

I have put out many well thought out questions...like the one you refuse to answer.

I await that answer as well as this one.

I'm in a temparary lull, I'm bored out of my skull. I'm dressing sharp but feeling dull.

I will get back to you.

But first, what would you do about the bad shape of education in the country?

[texaspackerbacker]

As with the health care issue, WHY the automatic assumption that there is something so wrong with education in America?

Oh yeah, there's always new liberal wrinkles creeping in that make things worse. Most of these get exposed and discarded after a while (outcome based education, etc.). Some do not--things like mainstreaming special ed, dumbing down in general, and teaching from rotten liberal revisionist textbooks. And of course, you have teachers unions, plus the fact that in most parts of the country, those getting into education professions tend to be more liberal than many other areas. And then you have the fact that there just seem to be a larger percentage of rotten apple students in the barrels these days, and liberal policies make it harder to get rid of them for the sake of the ones who do want to learn.

Despite these problems, however, I would say that education in America is plodding along with a fair degree of normalcy--and normalcy is a good thing if you're talking about America.

So Howard--along with Tyrone and any of the rest of the libs, what do you see as so bad about it? Come to think about it, maybe the libs like it the way it is--with so much of their crap policies influencing things.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Education: If a corp takes over education (or rather, let's say one of the ones that is already trying to be successful....yeah, not really successful, but let's just leave that part out) and then FAILS...and can't meet their duty...either to the payroll, etc...what are you and the rest of the conservs going to do? How are we going to solve that problem...and, most importantly, how will affect the education of the kids.

And, should we get involved? isn't that the free market?

Bravo, otown. You actually put together a well thought out question without an ad hominem attack.

You like me, you really like me.

I have put out many well thought out questions...like the one you refuse to answer.

I await that answer as well as this one.

I'm in a temparary lull, I'm bored out of my skull. I'm dressing sharp but feeling dull.

I will get back to you.

But first, what would you do about the bad shape of education in the country?

First, if we are going to debate an issue..and since you seem hung up on formal "logic"...hence your ad hominem statement...which, btw, doesn't preclude or invalidate theory of evidence...i can't and certainly won't allow you to frame the argument by declaring "bad shape" of education.

[bobblehead]

True about the VA. Although I have never used it, I've heard horror stories about it as the closest thing we have in this country to socialized medicine--along with the military and dependent health care system.

SPECIFICALLY, what do you see as bad about the current system, and what would you like to see that would improve it? I sincerely hope the answer doesn't turn out to be grabbing people's RIGHT to choose not to be insured and throwing it in the trash.

But, you are insured. Your insurance is funded by the taxpayer.

Specifically, the costs are going up at 2-3 times inflation in this country.

The key is to have the consumer make a consumer decision in healthcare. This is best accomplished via HSAs and high deductible policies.

Also, costs go higher because I have to absorb the costs of the people who choose, as you call it, to not be responsible. Someone has to pay for these people. It sounds as though you might be insulated from this issue because of your circumstance.

Lastly, we also have worldwide Socialism in medicine. Medical devices and medicines are priced cheaper by the companies in other countries because they know that the middle-upper class citizens of the U.S. will bear the costs. This has to change too.

Specifically, I would ask you, what should we do with the people in this country who need medical attention who either choose to be uninsured, or are simply not insured?

Save your fingers howie, Scroll back about 6 weeks before you got the the forum and read my healthcare thread. I spent countless posts and paragraphs DETAILING what you just said in this post and some people still don't get it. I got into detail about how medicare in 1967 and HMO bills in the 70's took competition and choice out of the market and we have been getting worse every since. Some people aren't capable of getting it, some choose not to because baiting is more fun. In any event people like us are a dying breed.

[MJZiggy]

A couple years back, on a site that no longer exists, there was a thread that I've just been reminded of. In just one of these flame wars, my hero bananaman made a post that said something to the effect of "we need a change in topic. New topic, ass hair!" (my apologies to the banana if this is a little off--I'm doing a years old post from memory.

Anyway, what ensued was the funniest damn thread I've ever read in my life.

For some reason, this thread reminded me of that. Just thought I'd share. Carry on.

Ass hair? Not something most people talk about but I can see where it could lead to some interesting discussion.

It was the only time I have ever called my ex into the room and told him he had to read a thread. He couldn't breathe. Nanaman, I salute you! Salud!

[Joemailman]

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[SkinBasket]

Balls!