War

[Freak Out]

Where is the great American statesman these days that can rally the west and show Russia again that we stand together?

Let my people go!

Does he have a farmers tan or is that just lens flare?

[texaspackerbacker]

As of 4 minutes ago, Yahoo News and AP report that the Russians have halted their invasion and agreed with the Georgians to pull back to pre-invasion positions.

This is exactly what Bush and McCain were calling for--apparently resulting from international pressure--us and the Europeans.

Watch it all fade to status quo--a good thing--unless you are the candidate for change, and the hallmark of that change is reducing America's power, influence, and standard of living.

[Tarlam!]

I wonder where the outraged international community is right now.

We're at home, knitting. Fuck off unless you want a 3-armed pullover to wear at the atlanta game, Skin.

[SkinBasket]

I wonder where the outraged international community is right now.

We're at home, knitting. Fuck off unless you want a 3-armed pullover to wear at the atlanta game, Skin.

Depends where the 3rd arm is.

[mraynrand]

Where is the great American statesman these days that can rally the west and show Russia again that we stand together?

Let my people go!

Does he have a farmers tan or is that just lens flare?

I think it's due to basking in the glow of Hillary during the primaries.

[Freak Out]

As of 4 minutes ago, Yahoo News and AP report that the Russians have halted their invasion and agreed with the Georgians to pull back to pre-invasion positions.

This is exactly what Bush and McCain were calling for--apparently resulting from international pressure--us and the Europeans.

Watch it all fade to status quo--a good thing--unless you are the candidate for change, and the hallmark of that change is reducing America's power, influence, and standard of living.

They control all of Georgia sans the Capital Tbilisi and have not pulled back yet. In fact I just heard a BBC report that a separatist group is attacking a Georgian town while the Russians do nothing...so much for Russian peacekeeping. I had to laugh when I heard Macs little speech about how we "are all Georgians today" I guess it's nice that we are going to send humanitarian aid with some military transports now that the fighting is over....better late than never....but if this is all we can do for our coalition members in a time of need its a pretty sad statement.

[BallHawk]

McCain doesn't know jack squat about winning wars or foreign affairs. I'm not saying Obama does (the most knowledgeable, by far, was Biden) but McCain is freaking clueless.

[HowardRoark]

McCain doesn't know jack squat about winning wars or foreign affairs. I'm not saying Obama does (the most knowledgeable, by far, was Biden) but McCain is freaking clueless.

For starters, I can’t think of any President who knows how to win a war. The only one I can think of off hand would be Ike. So, I think it is more of a judgment and leadership question. I am interested in why you think McCain doesn't know jack squat about winning wars. I don’t know either way, but am interested in why you believe this.

I do think that the microcosm of the past few years is telling though.

“It is a question of judgment; it is a question of a willingness to challenge policies that have failed. And (McCain) seems just dug in”, so said David Axelrod.

As a candidate for U.S. Senate in 2003, Obama said he would “unequivocally” oppose President Bush on the war. But once in office, he voted for every war-funding bill — until he decided to run for president.

Right around the time he delivered his address to the Democratic National Convention in 2004, he said, “there’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

While he opposed the war, he was committed to Bush’s initially flawed military strategy.

But, when he needed a campaign issue, his position evolved into a consistent call for withdrawal in order to differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton. When the Bush administration finally surged troops, it was Obama who “dug in,” insisting that it wouldn’t work — and in fact would make things even worse.

McCain challenged Bush’s approach to Iraq nearly from the get-go. In the summer of 2003, in response to the upswing in violence, he called for “a lot more military” in order to win in Iraq. He said he had “no confidence” in Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. In May 2004, McCain said “we’ve got to adjust to the realities of the situation as it exists and that means doing whatever is necessary and acting decisively.”

McCain was challenging Bush when Obama was assuring voters there wasn’t “much difference” between his position and Bush’s. And now Obama is locked into a position despite the facts on the ground.

Who is digging in his heals?

One last thing about McCain; I think the Obama campaign has done a very good job of defusing McCain’s military/POW background. But the fact that McCain has flown a jet in combat, served in a war next to other soldiers, and stayed in prison when he could have left…….this puts him eons ahead of both Bush and Obama (and me for that matter) when it comes to making decisions about war.

[HowardRoark]

Where is the great American statesman these days that can rally the west and show Russia again that we stand together?

He's French.

[MJZiggy]

I wonder where the outraged international community is right now.

We're at home, knitting. Fuck off unless you want a 3-armed pullover to wear at the atlanta game, Skin.

That's MY territory, pal!!

[HowardRoark]

One other thing.....

When he met Vladimir Putin in 2001, President Bush said: "I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul."

When John McCain looked into Vladimir Putin's eyes, he saw "a K, a G, and a B."

[digitaldean]

I trust Putin as far as I can throw him.

He's dyed in the wool KGB and he's using all his tricks to get his way. Read today that pro-western Ukraine may be next on the hit parade.

As I said previously in this thread, where are the weak-assed Euros on this?? They seem to ignore that Georgia is one of the last links to the Black Sea.

If Russia gets a puppet gov't installed some of the oil/gas pipelines from Georgia/Azerbaijan, etc. will fall into Putin's hands. He will most certainly use that to blackmail,.....er, "Negotiate" with Europe and it's economy.

Europe's proximity can exert more pressure on this problem than the US can. But when the going gets tough, the Euros get going....out the door.

Though it's not much, I am glad Pres. Bush is sending in our military to deliver aid.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

One other thing.....

When he met Vladimir Putin in 2001, President Bush said: "I looked the man in the eye. I was able to get a sense of his soul."

When John McCain looked into Vladimir Putin's eyes, he saw "a K, a G, and a B."

Is this true? That, so far, is from a secondary source. I doubt you can EVER find that attribution. The KGB is from Russia...according to dodering (sp?) mccain..he is the president of germany.

So, is the strategy now to bash bush to show how mccain is different?

Because, if so...some of us were on the mccain bandwagon before we even knew he was running.

[SkinBasket]

I wonder where the outraged international community is right now.

We're at home, knitting. Fuck off unless you want a 3-armed pullover to wear at the atlanta game, Skin.

That's MY territory, pal!!

Easy. He's knitting me a combination sweater/cock sock. I don't remember anything like that on your site.

[HowardRoark]

Is this true? That, so far, is from a secondary source. I doubt you can EVER find that attribution. The KGB is from Russia...according to dodering (sp?) mccain..he is the president of germany.

So, is the strategy now to bash bush to show how mccain is different?

Will this suffice?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAVlaIJWP-Q

When Obama's main campaign scheme is to have the two of them joined at the hip, it might be useful to see it in a different light. Some old fashioned types call this the truth.