Guantanamo: "Gulag of our times"

[SkinBasket]

Once again, Tank is singlehandedly responsisble for lowering the collective intelligence of the world, if even just a little bit.


Yeah!

Once again, bringing to the table such highly reputable sources as:

AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
Council of Europe Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights
"reports"
And his very own entry level polisci course


And in a return performance, the stereotyping of hundreds of thousands of people in his efforts to demonstrate how "open-minded," "loving," and "respectful" he is!


Tune in next time, when Tank uses Al Gore's invention, "The Internet" to discover more interesting facts from such sources as:

The New York Times
Al Franken
His own anus




Come on! I must have more value than Tank's cornhole!


Don't I?


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Fuck it. Guess I gotta do that bit again.


How big an asshole Brit Hume is and how shameless, how fucking shameless these people are! These people are so fucking shameless! They are shameless!! And I don’t just say this because the Fox people sued me! Yeeaaarrrgggg!



Yeah! Burn Bush! Kill conservatives! Fuck em in the ass and pour gasoline on their corpses! Their unfounded, misguided, blind hatred is what's wrong with this country! Yeah! Put them in dog collars, cut swastikas in their hair, piss on their faces and throw them in a prison on the bottom of the ocean without food and water and light with only Barbara Streisand tracks to keep them company so that we can bring human rights, dignity, and brotherhood to this world! Buzz buzz buzzz.


*snicker*
Works every time.

[Scott Campbell]

Nobody can do a visual rant like Skinbasket.

[Bossman641]

Haha, fuckin hilarious Skin.

I had never really noticed it before, but now that you mention it, for an open-minded enlightened liberal man Tank does seem a little judgemental.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

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[Tony Oday]

They are POWs and are lucky we dont put them into a supermax prison with NO outside contact and in a cell for 23 hours a day in solitary and 1 hour outside for exercise.

Amnesty International is like you tank a bunch of bleading heart liberals. Liberals all talk on how we should beat terrorism but wantot do it with bunnies and chocolate.

This is a new war. WE, yes WE the Western World, is fighting against this scourge and until we get the normal Islamics and Muslims to stand up to these extreme idiots and take back their countries.

The U.S.A. is not a great counrty because of the laws of our land it is because we respect the fact that idiots like myself and Tank can disagree so much and instead of going out and getting a M-16 and shooting at eachother.

These guys at Gitmo should be given nutrients and 3 hots and a cot. THATS IT. They are POWs. They should not be allowed to read, watch TV or anything like that. They are prisoners of the military which is MUCH different than our 'let all the rapist, murderers and molesters" out of jail as soon as possible.

[Fosco33]

So, White House is doing a bit of a rewording on this one... not sure that I totally agree w/ calling them POWs but as I said before, they do deserve humane treatment (which they are likely receiving anyway).

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/11/congress.guantanamo.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration, called to account by Congress after the Supreme Court blocked military tribunals, said Tuesday that all detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and in all other U.S. military custody around the world are entitled to protections under the Geneva Conventions.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said the policy, outlined in a new Defense Department memo, reflects the recent 5-3 Supreme Court decision blocking military tribunals set up by President Bush. That decision struck down the tribunals because they did not obey international law and had not been authorized by Congress.

The policy, described in a memo by Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, appears to reverse the administration's earlier insistence that the detainees are not prisoners of war and thus not subject to the Geneva protections.

The memo instructs recipients to ensure that all Defense Department policies, practices and directives comply with Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions governing the humane treatment of prisoners.

"You will ensure that all DOD personnel adhere to these standards," England wrote.

Word of the Bush administration's new stance came as the Senate Judiciary Committee opened hearings Tuesday on the Guantanamo issue -- which is testing unity among Republicans on Capitol Hill, with lawmakers trying to decide in an election season how military detainees should be tried and what their rights should be.

Led by Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, the committee's hearing was the first of three this week planned by congressional panels. The House and Senate Armed Services committees also were conducting hearings.

"We're not going to give the Department of Defense a blank check," said Specter told the hearing Tuesday.

Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the committee's top Democrat, said "kangaroo court procedures" must be changed and any military commissions "should not be set up as a sham. They should be consistent with a high standard of American justice, worth protecting."

The Senate is expected to take up legislation addressing the legal rights of suspected terrorists after the August recess -- timing that would push the issue squarely into the election season.

Guantanamo has been a flash point for both U.S. and international debate over the treatment of detainees without trial and over allegations of torture, denied by U.S. officials. Even U.S. allies in the war on terrorism have criticized the facility and process.

The camp came under worldwide condemnation after it opened more than four years ago, when pictures showed prisoners kneeling, shackled and being herded into wire cages. It intensified with reports of heavy-handed interrogations, hunger strikes and suicides.

Snow: Not a policy reversal
Snow insisted that all U.S. detainees have been treated humanely. Still, he said, "We want to get it right."

"It's not really a reversal of policy," Snow asserted, calling the Supreme Court decision "complex."

Under questioning from the committee, Daniel Dell'Orto, principal deputy general counsel at the Pentagon, said he believes the current treatment of detainees -- as well as the existing tribunal process -- already complies with Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.

"The memo that went out, it doesn't indicate a shift in policy," he said. "It just announces the decision of the court."

"The military commission set up does provide a right to counsel, a trained military defense counsel and the right to private counsel of the detainee's choice," Dell'Orto said. "We see no reason to change that in legislation."

Steven Bradbury, acting assistant attorney general of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, told the Senate hearing that the Bush administration would abide by the Supreme Court's ruling that a provision of the Geneva Conventions applies.

But he acknowledged that the provision -- which requires humane treatment of captured combatants and requires trials with judicial guarantees "recognized as indispensable by civilized people" -- is ambiguous and would be hard to interpret.

"The application of common Article 3 will create a degree of uncertainty for those who fight to defend us from terrorist attack," Bradbury said.

Snow said efforts to spell out more clearly the rights of detainees do not change the president's determination to work with Congress to enable the administration to proceed with the military tribunals, or commissions. The goal is "to find a way to properly do this in a way consistent with national security," Snow said.

Snow said that the instruction manuals used by the Department of Defense already comply with the humane-treatment provisions of Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. They are currently being updated to reflect legislation passed by Congress and sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, to more expressly rule out torture.

"The administration intends to work with Congress," Snow said.

"We want to fulfill the mandates of justice, making sure we find a way properly to try people who have been plucked off the battlefields who are not combatants in the traditional sense," he said.

"The Supreme Court pretty much said it's over to you guys (the administration and Congress) to figure out how to do this. And that is where this is headed. And we look forward to working with Congress on this."

[Zool]

Prison isnt supposed to be fun. Its prison not f'in Disney Land. And dont start on the prisoners that are unjustly imprisoned. If the judicial system was tougher on criminals dont you think there would be less crime?

The best way to deter crime is to make the consequences horrible, or make everyone in society 100% equal.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I'm glad you all find Skin's visual rant funny. I think its tasteless. There's a lot of hate and intolerance in that message. Criticize Tank all you want, but Skin's no better when he crafts a message like that. Tank is, at least, attempting to have a serious discussion on a serious issue, regardless of whether or not you agree with his stance.

tyler

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't think it was that bad. Funny you didn't say the same about this thread.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=1842&highlight=rush+lim

[jack's smirking revenge]

I don't think it was that bad. Funny you didn't say the same about this thread.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewto...light=rush+lim

The link didn't work Harvey. Care to repost or edit?

tyler

[SkinBasket]

First, I can'tbelieve someone dragged this out a month after the fact.

Second, "How big an asshole Brit Hume is and how shameless, how fucking shameless these people are! These people are so fucking shameless! They are shameless!! And I don’t just say this because the Fox people sued me!" Is a direct quote from A.F. himself.

Third, the last bit was an attempt to demonstrate that Tank does not, in fact, attempt to have serious discussions abuot this, or any other, issues. Tank takes an extreme view, splashes a few quotes from unreliable, biased sources on the screen, then ignores what anyone brings to the table to discredit his "opinion." While doing so, and this is what I was really trying to point out, (and maybe I'm just too dumb and it didn't come across right) is that Tank, and several people that I've known personally, will often demand an end to hate and intolerance by using hateful and intolerant speech, demand dignity for everyone by demeaning someone else, and stereotype and belittle whole groups of people in their attempts to show how open-minded and generously loving they are.

Maybe it didn't come across that way. Sarcasm and irony hardly ever work on the interweb. I would apologize if I was sorry for anything, but I'm not, so I won't.

[Fosco33]

For what it's worth your visual rants are fricken hilarious.

And, I didn't 'drag this out' after a month. There were new developments a few days ago - mainly due to the recent Supreme Court ruling. They are now POWs and will have some special trials.

This is why America works. Many people and many countries disagreed with the old policy w/ this camp. And we responded in kind. BFD

Realistically, the naysayers and complainers probably did push this timetable forward a few months (golf clap). But any intel to gain has likely already been obtained and it's relevance faids with time. Plus, Bush was going to have to address where to put these people long term at some point.

[SkinBasket]

And, I didn't 'drag this out' after a month. There were new developments a few days ago - mainly due to the recent Supreme Court ruling. They are now POWs and will have some special trials.

Sorry Fos. I didn't notice that post you made was one of the more recent. If you want we can make out now.

[Fosco33]

And, I didn't 'drag this out' after a month. There were new developments a few days ago - mainly due to the recent Supreme Court ruling. They are now POWs and will have some special trials.

Sorry Fos. I didn't notice that post you made was one of the more recent. If you want we can make out now.

Sweet. Can you start real slow? I've never been with a scrotum before and have no idea how that could work.... and don't tell my ladyfriend - she'd freak.

And no, I don't think the forum wants pictures of it.

[SkinBasket]

Tank's balls are the gulag of our times. Billions are trapped with no way out. It's sad really. Not even Amnesty International will go near that gulag.