For anyone that has spent over $40 filling thier tank...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I can honestly say that the only thing that makes sense in this post is that you meant “sew” instead of “so.”

Are there some innately unfavorable heritable traits in those that don’t reproduce?

What “apple crack?”

What do mean by “futile education and medical reply...because as i noted..you were completely wrong.”

You are trying to start something about God, but are tangling a web of nonsense.

1. So. Mistake. Good catch.
2. That depends on the reason. I would say yes or no..depending on the instance. This would be similar to a rapist. There is evidence to support that those types (not all rapists) wouldn't be able to reproduce without it. So, maladjusted/crazy/autistic/etc. people that have no social skills that lead to reproduction definitely have heritable traits that aren't suppose to be passed on.

If, one chooses not to reproduce then i would say no.

3. Apple Crack. Use the search function. you made a crack about me regarding apple computers. The point is that you have chosen to make jokes at my expense when i'm not even involved with a thread. Care to deny it?

4. Futile. Nope, that is why it is a ps. You asked for my response..i gave it..then you dropped it....when, of course the evidence was 100 percent against you...ie, who took care of the sick before our current system, etc.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Minimum wage. Holy Shit. You dont see that as a democrat presidential election year stunt by now? How many high school and college kids and small businesses has that move effected this summer. The argument for that thing is total crap and can be disputed by anyone that didnt sleep through econ 101.

Next thing you're gonna tell me is somehow its the Presidents job to respond to and clean up after hurricanes.

Of course it is...not like the dems haven't been after it for years.

Effected: Burden of proof is on you.

Econ 101: Everything can be disputed.

Hurricanes: Not this presidents. If anyone has proven that gov't can't solve problems or do anything right it would be bush.

Its not their job!

Good to see you abandoned the other 3.

Job: Says who? Care to explain what FEMA is for?

[HowardRoark]

2. That depends on the reason. I would say yes or no..depending on the instance. This would be similar to a rapist. There is evidence to support that those types (not all rapists) wouldn't be able to reproduce without it. So, maladjusted/crazy/autistic/etc. people that have no social skills that lead to reproduction definitely have heritable traits that aren't suppose to be passed on.

If, one chooses not to reproduce then i would say no.

3. Apple Crack. Use the search function. you made a crack about me regarding apple computers. The point is that you have chosen to make jokes at my expense when i'm not even involved with a thread. Care to deny it?

4. Futile. Nope, that is why it is a ps. You asked for my response..i gave it..then you dropped it....when, of course the evidence was 100 percent against you...ie, who took care of the sick before our current system, etc.

So, who decides? You say "yes and no".....and you are just one person. Your whole theory depends on "yes and no?" I need more.

Your Honor, I have never insulted Ty's use of Apple computers.

Despite your efforts, your explanation concerning #4 remains opaque. Sorry.

[HowardRoark]

O.K. I think I get it. You are dragging up old threads. I was trying to connect the dots; didn’t realize we were going back a few weeks.

Perhaps you are allergic to the concept of someone agreeing with you, or at the least, not being outright antagonistic toward you, but I already commented on those two issues.

As far as education, if you recall, I stated that I, unlike you am not omniscient….therefore I don’t have all the answers. What I do believe is that competition will always raise the level of a product; in this case, education. Your point was what to do if it fails, making the analogy of the mortgage markets today. Harlan made a similar observation: “what if no private schools want to go into a bad neighborhood?” I agreed that some Government oversight would be needed in the privatization of schools. In Capitalism, the one downfall is what to do with the “least of these”….this would be an example of this concept. I would argue that Capitalism affords such wealth to people that they fill in the gaps through philanthropy. And, this segues into the broader point. Historically, it is religious institutions that have gone in to take care of “the least of these”; both education and hospitals.

For what it’s worth, this summer has provided a perfect laboratory to test certain macro ideas that Conservatives hold dear. That is why I posed the thread “Moral Hazards and Happy Meals for the Circle Jerk.” It is big question. Your cloying parsing of sentences, words and letters might help you in the bumper sticker industry, but it does not answer any questions.

So, there is your answer.

As for your latest little question concerning God and Evolution; one year ago, oleman, GK, Cy, GreenDay and I went around and around on theological issues with you. Quite frankly, it’s not worth it.

One last thing; I did notice that I suggested you apply for the Professional Tool position at Apple. Sorry about that, I won’t randomly make cracks about you anymore. Randomly.

But it did make Ziggy laugh.

[HowardRoark]

Back to the cost of Gasoline.

The guy who controls the cost more than anyone is ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet.

A few weeks ago, he was publicly calling out Bernanke on his monetary policy. Trichet has been proven wrong. Europe is indeed slowing. He has had to change his stance on rates. This has violently shifted the currencies. The Dollar has strengthened. Oil has come down.

Notice how the oil markets have shrugged off this little skirmish in Georgia. Can you imagine how this news would have effected oil just one month ago?

Trichet repeated that at present, the ECB has "no bias" with regards to the future path of monetary policy.

It’s all about the Dollar.

[hoosier]

I can honestly say that the only thing that makes sense in this post is that you meant “sew” instead of “so.”

If that's the only thing that made sense then we can safely say nothing did. Before you start throwing stones, I think you mean "sow," as in "You reap what you sow." That's a problem of the computer age: nobody nose how too spell anymore. :P

[HowardRoark]

I can honestly say that the only thing that makes sense in this post is that you meant “sew” instead of “so.”

If that's the only thing that made sense then we can safely say nothing did. Before you start throwing stones, I think you mean "sow," as in "You reap what you sow." That's a problem of the computer age: nobody nose how too spell anymore. :P

Touché.

Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee I guess.

[mraynrand]

As for your latest little question concerning God and Evolution; one year ago, oleman, GK, Cy, GreenDay and I went around and around on theological issues with you. Quite frankly, it’s not worth it.

Was that on the JS site? We should get those guys over here to spark up the conversation.

[HowardRoark]

As for your latest little question concerning God and Evolution; one year ago, oleman, GK, Cy, GreenDay and I went around and around on theological issues with you. Quite frankly, it’s not worth it.

Was that on the JS site? We should get those guys over here to spark up the conversation.

I'll work on oleman!, GK, and Cy.....you can track down Greenday.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

2. That depends on the reason. I would say yes or no..depending on the instance. This would be similar to a rapist. There is evidence to support that those types (not all rapists) wouldn't be able to reproduce without it. So, maladjusted/crazy/autistic/etc. people that have no social skills that lead to reproduction definitely have heritable traits that aren't suppose to be passed on.

If, one chooses not to reproduce then i would say no.

3. Apple Crack. Use the search function. you made a crack about me regarding apple computers. The point is that you have chosen to make jokes at my expense when i'm not even involved with a thread. Care to deny it?

4. Futile. Nope, that is why it is a ps. You asked for my response..i gave it..then you dropped it....when, of course the evidence was 100 percent against you...ie, who took care of the sick before our current system, etc.

So, who decides? You say "yes and no".....and you are just one person. Your whole theory depends on "yes and no?" I need more.

Your Honor, I have never insulted Ty's use of Apple computers.

Despite your efforts, your explanation concerning #4 remains opaque. Sorry.

1. You asked about people who are childless and whether that is something passed on. Yes or no..it isn't a decision. If one decides to not have children..active thought..then it isn't a gene. What is hard to figure out.

2. Apple. So, now you've found it...and yet, while you say you won't insult ramdomly..i see nothing that puts the antagonistic attitude at your feet. You reap what you sow.

3. Education. You asked specifically what was done before public schools. It was at this point that you dropped the discussion without acknowledging the fact the gov't has always been involved.

Same with medical care. Which when pointed out the poor houses were run by the gov't...no acknowledgement. Just as you didn't acknowledge that we didn't arrive at this current medical situation by accident..the ama, hospitals, etc.

4. Education competition. This is your same argument. Yet, i have asked you repeatedly to tell me about the countries that do the best in education and tell me about how their system works. Is it surprising that you don't?

Finally, we do have competition in this country...or do you not call parochial schools, private schools, home schooling, etc. not competition.

[HowardRoark]

1. You asked about people who are childless and whether that is something passed on. Yes or no..it isn't a decision. If one decides to not have children..active thought..then it isn't a gene. What is hard to figure out.

2. Apple. So, now you've found it...and yet, while you say you won't insult ramdomly..i see nothing that puts the antagonistic attitude at your feet. You reap what you sow.

3. Education. You asked specifically what was done before public schools. It was at this point that you dropped the discussion without acknowledging the fact the gov't has always been involved.

Same with medical care. Which when pointed out the poor houses were run by the gov't...no acknowledgement. Just as you didn't acknowledge that we didn't arrive at this current medical situation by accident..the ama, hospitals, etc.

4. Education competition. This is your same argument. Yet, i have asked you repeatedly to tell me about the countries that do the best in education and tell me about how their system works. Is it surprising that you don't?

Finally, we do have competition in this country...or do you not call parochial schools, private schools, home schooling, etc. not competition.

You said, “maladjusted/crazy/autistic/etc. people that have no social skills that lead to reproduction definitely have heritable traits that aren't suppose to be passed on.” So, what about evil people who have enough “social skills” to have sex? What about a guy like Josef Mengele? I am trying to figure out how Darwin weeds out evil people who have enough “social skills” to get laid.

I will try to stop being antagonist with you. Just stop the parsing. You make Bill Clinton blush.

As far as education, there is an oligopoly. I DO consider parochial schools the competition. And the empirical evidence points that many of these schools, in particular in inner cities, do well for the students; ergo the need for more of this competition.

As far as healthcare, I think the system is screwed up right now. We stand at a crossroads; we either go to more Centralized system or more Free market. I think more free market (with the consumer in charge of their decisions) will solve the problems. Period. I will concede virtually everything else you have or will say on this subject.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

1. You asked about people who are childless and whether that is something passed on. Yes or no..it isn't a decision. If one decides to not have children..active thought..then it isn't a gene. What is hard to figure out.

2. Apple. So, now you've found it...and yet, while you say you won't insult ramdomly..i see nothing that puts the antagonistic attitude at your feet. You reap what you sow.

3. Education. You asked specifically what was done before public schools. It was at this point that you dropped the discussion without acknowledging the fact the gov't has always been involved.

Same with medical care. Which when pointed out the poor houses were run by the gov't...no acknowledgement. Just as you didn't acknowledge that we didn't arrive at this current medical situation by accident..the ama, hospitals, etc.

4. Education competition. This is your same argument. Yet, i have asked you repeatedly to tell me about the countries that do the best in education and tell me about how their system works. Is it surprising that you don't?

Finally, we do have competition in this country...or do you not call parochial schools, private schools, home schooling, etc. not competition.

You said, “maladjusted/crazy/autistic/etc. people that have no social skills that lead to reproduction definitely have heritable traits that aren't suppose to be passed on.” So, what about evil people who have enough “social skills” to have sex? What about a guy like Josef Mengele? I am trying to figure out how Darwin weeds out evil people who have enough “social skills” to get laid.

I will try to stop being antagonist with you. Just stop the parsing. You make Bill Clinton blush.

As far as education, there is an oligopoly. I DO consider parochial schools the competition. And the empirical evidence points that many of these schools, in particular in inner cities, do well for the students; ergo the need for more of this competition.

As far as healthcare, I think the system is screwed up right now. We stand at a crossroads; we either go to more Centralized system or more Free market. I think more free market (with the consumer in charge of their decisions) will solve the problems. Period. I will concede virtually everything else you have or will say on this subject.

See..even when you try to be civil you can't. You insult me by saying i'm parsing.

1. Evil people. Exactly who defines that. Should I ask that of prez bush..since many consider him evil?

When using darwin you don't look at individuals...you look at the flock. You dont' look at one instance. C'mon..that ain't parsing.

How are we not to know that mengele and his ilk help us define what is unacceptable and therefore help the species?

2. Schools. Well, what is stopping more parochial schools? If more are needed or wanted surely someone will fill the need. Isn't that what the free market is about? Now you want to influence it.

But, more importantly you drop the biggest point..education standards/achievements in other countries. Why? Perhaps because it doesnt' suit your argument?

You may say that we have an oligopoly, but what you and other conservatives want is a plutocracy. There is a reason we need a gov't and not putting everything in companies...they don't answer to the people.

We see how well outsourcing everything in iraq worked. Billions lost.

3. Medical. Free market...dream on. No one wants to have a pay for service. You didn't want it..you couldn't have afforded your medical.

We haven't ever had a free market in medical...ama perverted it, formalizing education perverted it, hospitals perverted it, gov't money for research perverted it.

But, i'm all for it...as long as we truly have it. No more gifts to big pharm, no more breaks for hospitals, no more state run medical schools...doctors should pay for their education as well...why should they get subsidized educations and then make extraordinary salaries, etc.

I'm always for the free market. But, i see very little of it in this country.

[mraynrand]

1. Evil people. Exactly who defines that. Should I ask that of prez bush..since many consider him evil?

When using darwin you don't look at individuals...you look at the flock. You dont' look at one instance. C'mon..that ain't parsing.

How are we not to know that mengele and his ilk help us define what is unacceptable and therefore help the species?

You make an excellent point. How do you even define 'help' or 'hurt' for the species, in light of Darwin? Unless you have a total extinction, it's entirely possible that all sorts of 'horrible things' as we see them (such as massive slaughter or whole population exterminations) could 'help' the species. But does it help for 5,000 years or for 10 million years? What's the difference to evolution? Evolution is completely blind and directionless. Human extinction could set the stage for a 'better' intelligent species (better in evolutionary terms, if you agree that 'better' means longer survival). Quite a conundrum isn't it. Poppers' Poverty of Historicism folds quite easily into evolutionary considerations like this.

[HowardRoark]

1. You asked about people who are childless and whether that is something passed on. Yes or no..it isn't a decision. If one decides to not have children..active thought..then it isn't a gene. What is hard to figure out.

2. Apple. So, now you've found it...and yet, while you say you won't insult ramdomly..i see nothing that puts the antagonistic attitude at your feet. You reap what you sow.

3. Education. You asked specifically what was done before public schools. It was at this point that you dropped the discussion without acknowledging the fact the gov't has always been involved.

Same with medical care. Which when pointed out the poor houses were run by the gov't...no acknowledgement. Just as you didn't acknowledge that we didn't arrive at this current medical situation by accident..the ama, hospitals, etc.

4. Education competition. This is your same argument. Yet, i have asked you repeatedly to tell me about the countries that do the best in education and tell me about how their system works. Is it surprising that you don't?

Finally, we do have competition in this country...or do you not call parochial schools, private schools, home schooling, etc. not competition.

You said, “maladjusted/crazy/autistic/etc. people that have no social skills that lead to reproduction definitely have heritable traits that aren't suppose to be passed on.” So, what about evil people who have enough “social skills” to have sex? What about a guy like Josef Mengele? I am trying to figure out how Darwin weeds out evil people who have enough “social skills” to get laid.

I will try to stop being antagonist with you. Just stop the parsing. You make Bill Clinton blush.

As far as education, there is an oligopoly. I DO consider parochial schools the competition. And the empirical evidence points that many of these schools, in particular in inner cities, do well for the students; ergo the need for more of this competition.

As far as healthcare, I think the system is screwed up right now. We stand at a crossroads; we either go to more Centralized system or more Free market. I think more free market (with the consumer in charge of their decisions) will solve the problems. Period. I will concede virtually everything else you have or will say on this subject.

See..even when you try to be civil you can't. You insult me by saying i'm parsing.

1. Evil people. Exactly who defines that. Should I ask that of prez bush..since many consider him evil?

When using darwin you don't look at individuals...you look at the flock. You dont' look at one instance. C'mon..that ain't parsing.

How are we not to know that mengele and his ilk help us define what is unacceptable and therefore help the species?

2. Schools. Well, what is stopping more parochial schools? If more are needed or wanted surely someone will fill the need. Isn't that what the free market is about? Now you want to influence it.

But, more importantly you drop the biggest point..education standards/achievements in other countries. Why? Perhaps because it doesnt' suit your argument?

You may say that we have an oligopoly, but what you and other conservatives want is a plutocracy. There is a reason we need a gov't and not putting everything in companies...they don't answer to the people.

We see how well outsourcing everything in iraq worked. Billions lost.

3. Medical. Free market...dream on. No one wants to have a pay for service. You didn't want it..you couldn't have afforded your medical.

We haven't ever had a free market in medical...ama perverted it, formalizing education perverted it, hospitals perverted it, gov't money for research perverted it.

But, i'm all for it...as long as we truly have it. No more gifts to big pharm, no more breaks for hospitals, no more state run medical schools...doctors should pay for their education as well...why should they get subsidized educations and then make extraordinary salaries, etc.

I'm always for the free market. But, i see very little of it in this country.

Maybe my telling you that you parse too much is helping you. Maybe I am helping you to survive. Perhaps you owe me your life. Or, who cares if I offend? What is offense anyway? My nihilistic Post-Modern friend’s skin is a bit too thin to be a survivor in the herd.

Or, I could take a different approach and acknowledge that I offend, therefore I should stop. It is intuitively wrong to be offensive. And somewhere, if I search, I will discover from where that intuition comes.

I don’t care if another country has great schools. We don’t. And I am done going down the same path, all the while moving the goal posts, that we have for the past 40 years. We need a new approach. The reason parochial schools are at a disadvantage is the cost. A poor family can not afford to send their kids to the school, so they must go to the Government schools.

I am a broken record on the healthcare thing: HSAs and high deductible plans.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

1. Evil people. Exactly who defines that. Should I ask that of prez bush..since many consider him evil?

When using darwin you don't look at individuals...you look at the flock. You dont' look at one instance. C'mon..that ain't parsing.

How are we not to know that mengele and his ilk help us define what is unacceptable and therefore help the species?

You make an excellent point. How do you even define 'help' or 'hurt' for the species, in light of Darwin? Unless you have a total extinction, it's entirely possible that all sorts of 'horrible things' as we see them (such as massive slaughter or whole population exterminations) could 'help' the species. But does it help for 5,000 years or for 10 million years? What's the difference to evolution? Evolution is completely blind and directionless. Human extinction could set the stage for a 'better' intelligent species (better in evolutionary terms, if you agree that 'better' means longer survival). Quite a conundrum isn't it. Poppers' Poverty of Historicism folds quite easily into evolutionary considerations like this.

You cannot go against nature
Because when you do
Go against nature
It's part of nature too

Love & Rockets