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  • Colleges Urge Lowering Drinking Age

    PER CNN

    (AP) -- College presidents from about 100 of the nation's best-known universities, including Duke, Dartmouth and Ohio State, are calling on lawmakers to consider lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18, saying current laws actually encourage dangerous binge drinking on campus.

    The movement called the Amethyst Initiative began quietly recruiting presidents more than a year ago to provoke national debate about the drinking age.

    "This is a law that is routinely evaded," said John McCardell, former president of Middlebury College in Vermont who started the organization. "It is a law that the people at whom it is directed believe is unjust and unfair and discriminatory."

    Other prominent schools in the group include Syracuse, Tufts, Colgate, Kenyon and Morehouse.

    But even before the presidents begin the public phase of their efforts, which may include publishing newspaper ads in the coming weeks, they are already facing sharp criticism.

    Mothers Against Drunk Driving says lowering the drinking age would lead to more fatal car crashes. It accuses the presidents of misrepresenting science and looking for an easy way out of an inconvenient problem. MADD officials are even urging parents to think carefully about the safety of colleges whose presidents have signed on.

    "It's very clear the 21-year-old drinking age will not be enforced at those campuses," said Laura Dean-Mooney, national president of MADD.

    Both sides agree alcohol abuse by college students is a huge problem.

    Research has found more than 40 percent of college students reported at least one symptom of alcohol abuse or dependence. One study has estimated more than 500,000 full-time students at four-year colleges suffer injuries each year related in some way to drinking, and about 1,700 die in such accidents.

    A recent Associated Press analysis of federal records found that 157 college-age people, 18 to 23, drank themselves to death from 1999 through 2005.

    Moana Jagasia, a Duke University sophomore from Singapore, where the drinking age is lower, said reducing the age in the U.S. could be helpful.

    "There isn't that much difference in maturity between 21 and 18," she said. "If the age is younger, you're getting exposed to it at a younger age, and you don't freak out when you get to campus."

    McCardell's group takes its name from ancient Greece, where the purple gemstone amethyst was widely believed to ward off drunkenness if used in drinking vessels and jewelry. He said college students will drink no matter what, but do so more dangerously when it's illegal.

    The statement the presidents have signed avoids calling explicitly for a younger drinking age. Rather, it seeks "an informed and dispassionate debate" over the issue and the federal highway law that made 21 the de facto national drinking age by denying money to any state that bucks the trend.

    But the statement makes clear the signers think the current law isn't working, citing a "culture of dangerous, clandestine binge-drinking," and noting that while adults under 21 can vote and enlist in the military, they "are told they are not mature enough to have a beer." Furthermore, "by choosing to use fake IDs, students make ethical compromises that erode respect for the law."

    "I'm not sure where the dialogue will lead, but it's an important topic to American families and it deserves a straightforward dialogue," said William Troutt, president of Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee., who has signed the statement.

    But some other college administrators sharply disagree that lowering the drinking age would help. University of Miami President Donna Shalala, who served as secretary of health and human services under President Clinton, declined to sign.

    "I remember college campuses when we had 18-year-old drinking ages, and I honestly believe we've made some progress," Shalala said in a telephone interview. "To just shift it back down to the high schools makes no sense at all."

    McCardell claims that his experiences as a president and a parent, as well as a historian studying Prohibition, have persuaded him the drinking age isn't working.

    But critics say McCardell has badly misrepresented the research by suggesting that the decision to raise the drinking age from 18 to 21 may not have saved lives.

    In fact, MADD CEO Chuck Hurley said, nearly all peer-reviewed studies looking at the change showed raising the drinking age reduced drunk-driving deaths. A survey of research from the U.S. and other countries by the Centers for Disease Control and others reached the same conclusion.

    McCardell cites the work of Alexander Wagenaar, a University of Florida epidemiologist and expert on how changes in the drinking age affect safety. But Wagenaar himself sides with MADD in the debate.

    The college presidents "see a problem of drinking on college campuses, and they don't want to deal with it," Wagenaar said in a telephone interview. "It's really unfortunate, but the science is very clear."

    Another scholar who has extensively researched college binge-drinking also criticized the presidents' initiative.

    "I understand why colleges are doing it, because it splits their students, and they like to treat them all alike rather than having to card some of them. It's a nuisance to them," said Henry Wechsler of the Harvard School of Public Health.

    But, "I wish these college presidents sat around and tried to work out ways to deal with the problem on their campus rather than try to eliminate the problem by defining it out of existence," he said.

    Duke faced accusations of ignoring the heavy drinking that formed the backdrop of 2006 rape allegations against three lacrosse players. The rape allegations proved to be a hoax, but the alcohol-fueled party was never disputed.

    Duke senior Wey Ruepten said university officials should accept the reality that students are going to drink and give them the responsibility that comes with alcohol.

    "If you treat students like children, they're going to act like children," he said.

    Duke President Richard Brodhead declined an interview request. But he wrote in a statement on the Amethyst Initiative's Web site that the 21-year-old drinking age "pushes drinking into hiding, heightening its risks." It also prevents school officials "from addressing drinking with students as an issue of responsible choice."

    Hurley, of MADD, has a different take on the presidents.

    "They're waving the white flag," he said
    "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

  • #2
    IMO
    I agree the drinking age should be 18. I also believe that drugs should be legalized and taxed like a mofo with the proceeds going to grade schools, high schools, and drug dependency clinics.
    To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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    • #3
      That might cut binge drinking on campuses, but it's pretty hard to argue with the decline in alcohol-related traffic deaths since the 21 age.
      Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.
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      • #4
        every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sheepshead
          every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
          Lol thats the problem, is that you cant... I can always find a way to get beer even though im 16

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sheepshead
            every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
            Why?

            Europe has a 16 year old drinking age and they don't have the problems we have.

            But, i find it hypocritical to allow 18 year olds to fight for their country, but when they return can't have a beer? C'mon.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
              Originally posted by sheepshead
              every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
              Why?

              Europe has a 16 year old drinking age and they don't have the problems we have.
              They also have far better public transit, a less individualistic culture and, in general, make it a lot harder to get drivers' licenses.
              Teamwork is what the Green Bay Packers were all about. They didn't do it for individual glory. They did it because they loved one another.
              Vince Lombardi

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                They also have far better public transit, a less individualistic culture and, in general, make it a lot harder to get drivers' licenses.
                That's because they're commie rats

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                  Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                  Originally posted by sheepshead
                  every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
                  Why?

                  Europe has a 16 year old drinking age and they don't have the problems we have.
                  They also have far better public transit, a less individualistic culture and, in general, make it a lot harder to get drivers' licenses.
                  Holy non sequitur, Batman!
                  [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                    Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                    Originally posted by sheepshead
                    every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
                    Why?

                    Europe has a 16 year old drinking age and they don't have the problems we have.
                    They also have far better public transit, a less individualistic culture and, in general, make it a lot harder to get drivers' licenses.
                    And on the bad side, they have taxed the living shit out of anything that moves including Gasoline. They have proportionatley less individual freedoms than we do, and smaller countries to deal with.

                    Do you really think that they'd have better mass transit if they had a land mass the size of the US?

                    If you've ever spent any time at all in Los Angeles you have a clear picture of why mass transit in the US will never resemble mass transit in Europe. The situations are completely different.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                      That might cut binge drinking on campuses, but it's pretty hard to argue with the decline in alcohol-related traffic deaths since the 21 age.

                      you could set the age to legally drink beer at 40 and the death rate would decline much more.

                      The 21-year-old drinking law is INCREDIBLE hypocricy. Most people started drinking in high school, and almost everyone drinks during their college years. Everything is winky-winky: ya, we know you're gonna drink, its part of growing up, but we're going to make it illegal so we can pretend to be above it all.

                      College towns reap HUGE profits from preying on college students. They give-out $300 tickets for drinking, $1000 (and more) tickets to hosts of parties that serve alchohol. ITs a hypocritical scam.

                      The idea of saying that a certain group of LEGAL ADULTS should have particular priviledges withheld from them is insane. ITs just the majority beating up on a minority.

                      I could see some justification in a 19-year-old age of majority to help keep alchohol out of high schools.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by retailguy
                        Originally posted by Badgerinmaine
                        Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                        Originally posted by sheepshead
                        every day that you keep drinks out of the hands of anyone under 25 is a victory. Keep and enforce the laws.
                        Why?

                        Europe has a 16 year old drinking age and they don't have the problems we have.
                        They also have far better public transit, a less individualistic culture and, in general, make it a lot harder to get drivers' licenses.
                        And on the bad side, they have taxed the living shit out of anything that moves including Gasoline. They have proportionatley less individual freedoms than we do, and smaller countries to deal with.

                        Do you really think that they'd have better mass transit if they had a land mass the size of the US?

                        If you've ever spent any time at all in Los Angeles you have a clear picture of why mass transit in the US will never resemble mass transit in Europe. The situations are completely different.
                        Threadjack.

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                        • #13
                          I think it's completely fair that you can fight for your country, potentially have your arms blown off, but having a beer......that's just too much to ask.
                          "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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                          • #14
                            ^^^^^^
                            I'm glad this thread is back on track. I guess your opinion is probably shaped from your upbringing. My dad could drink legally at 18, on my 18th birthday, my dad drank a beer with me for the first time even though it is illegal.
                            To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GoPackGo
                              ^^^^^^
                              I'm glad this thread is back on track. I guess your opinion is probably shaped from your upbringing. My dad could drink legally at 18, on my 18th birthday, my dad drank a beer with me for the first time even though it is illegal.
                              I was brought up under the "drink occasionally at home" strategy. Kicking it Europe-style, almost. The #1 mistake America makes is making alcohol the forbidden fruit.
                              "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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