Biden No Garden Variety Liberal (He's Cream of the Crop)

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think you are reading too many madison papers my friend, I never saw any poll where the public wasn't 70% against it.

I wonder what madison papers those would be, the only paper left in town is the Wisconsin State Journal, which leans republican.

But anyway, you're simply wrong about support for the bill, and you NEVER saw any poll that was against it.

The ONLY reason I am against them staying is because I know too many good hard working asians with family members on a 9 year wait list because they are abiding by the law.

The immigration reform bill did not given any priority to illegals over people waiting in lie.

And your notion that they are not going to stay is sticking your head in the sand.

America is so against illegals right now (except the mexican base) that hillary herself had to come out and say she was against illegals having drivers liscences.

That specific issue does not mean most Americans think illegals can be driven out of the country, as you do. Most Americans supported a compromise such as was proposed in the immigration reform bill.

[bobblehead]

Let me explain something to you my left leaning friend. I am all for glorified slave labor...it enhances my portfolio and keeps wages suppressed for those measly working folks...I'm just shocked that you are for it.

Seriously though, I cited one article above showing 77% against liscences, and you think most people are for them getting to stay? I don't buy it. And since the asians I talked about can't even get their brothers and sisters HERE to start with for 9 years, yes I would say that anyone who is here illegally and gets to stay legally is a slap in the face to anyone trying to do the just and moral thing.

Furthermore, I rent a condo...you know how many calls I get from illegals who actually somehow got a loan and now lost their house who are looking to rent? Its crazy, we need to get back to the fundamentals, if you learn english and apply we will let you in, no problem. But man, the statistics on sex crimes by illegals and emergency room births for illegals, and defaulted loans by illegals is off the charts, we gotta stop letting just anyone who can sneak across in.

The "compromise" you speak of is almost identical to the one ted kennedy wrote in 1986 (signed by reagan). At the time ole teddy said something like "now we won't have to ever address the problem of illegal immigration again". Yea, good call.

Oh yea, one more thing. Since the gov't started cracking down on employers there is an exodus going on, so I'll keep my head in the sand for now.

[MJZiggy]

Where the hell do you live that you see an exodus. I see more and more illegals every day.

Yes, there are emergency room births because these people can't get proper medical attention because they can't get normal jobs with insurance because they're illegal. They get desperate, they come here. If you can't secure the border or make conditions

And if you can come into this country on a student visa and get a scholarship, why can't someone who can scholastically earn a scholarship get one because their parents brought them here when they were 4?

And if an Asian wants to get into the country, there is a business visa, a passport and a job. You just have to find work and your employer can apply for permanent residence for you. Half the people I work with are from places other than America.

[Freak Out]

Poll Finds 77% Oppose Licenses For Illegals
Posted by: The Watchdog in Illegal Drivers Licenses
Washington Times

Voters oppose driver’s licenses for illegal aliens by a nearly five-to-one margin, a new Fox 5/Washington Times/Rasmussen Reports poll finds.

As immigration politics explode into the presidential race, polls show Americans are taking a hard line on benefits for illegal aliens, including opposing driver’s licenses and such taxpayer-funded benefits as scholarships at state colleges for illegal-alien students.

The new poll found 77 percent of the adults surveyed opposed making driver’s licenses available to illegal aliens, while just 16 percent supported the idea.

Licenses fared poorly across party lines, including near-blanket opposition among self-identified Republicans, at 88 percent. Among independents and Democrats, it was still overwhelmingly unpopular, drawing 75 percent and 68 percent opposition, respectively.

Did you post this in support of the argument that most Americans did not support some kind of path to citizenship for illegal aliens?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bobble,

While there is no doubt that there is hostility towards illegal immigrants in this country, you are categorically wrong about what this country wants. Americans want a pathway.

Both the Bloomberg and the L.A. times poll reported 60 per cent of respondents support the proposal, which calls for undocumented workers to register, pay a fine, get fingerprinted, and learn English.

More to the point, only 15% were against a pathway, while 25% were unsure.

[mraynrand]

Bobble,

While there is no doubt that there is hostility towards illegal immigrants in this country, you are categorically wrong about what this country wants. Americans want a pathway.

Both the Bloomberg and the L.A. times poll reported 60 per cent of respondents support the proposal, which calls for undocumented workers to register, pay a fine, get fingerprinted, and learn English.

More to the point, only 15% were against a pathway, while 25% were unsure.

I think the hostility is not towards the immigrants generally, but towards those who perpetuate the problem - The Mexican government, Americans who place empathy above the law, employers who take advantage of the workers, pols who use immigrants to their advantage. From what I hear, there are a lot of Americans who DO want a path to citizenship (knowing that deporting 12+ mil immigrants is impossible), but they don't want to guarantee a path if the borders aren't secure and if legalization will mean 30 mil more pouring over the border.

Specific hostility is directed towards immigrant gang members and immigrant workers who are undercutting the job market. And people are frustrated with the overload to the system from illegals in border states. You know this well in AZ - public services are stretched to the limit, esp. in healthcare, not in small part due to illegals.

[Harlan Huckleby]

immigrants are a great deal for the economy. Children are a cost, they have to be educated, they get sick, and they smear their popsicle sticks all over everything. They don't work, they are an investment.

MOST illegal immigrants come here as working adults. Fully grown givers, not takers.

[Harlan Huckleby]

... double shot power

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bobble,

While there is no doubt that there is hostility towards illegal immigrants in this country, you are categorically wrong about what this country wants. Americans want a pathway.

Both the Bloomberg and the L.A. times poll reported 60 per cent of respondents support the proposal, which calls for undocumented workers to register, pay a fine, get fingerprinted, and learn English.

More to the point, only 15% were against a pathway, while 25% were unsure.

I think the hostility is not towards the immigrants generally, but towards those who perpetuate the problem - The Mexican government, Americans who place empathy above the law, employers who take advantage of the workers, pols who use immigrants to their advantage. From what I hear, there are a lot of Americans who DO want a path to citizenship (knowing that deporting 12+ mil immigrants is impossible), but they don't want to guarantee a path if the borders aren't secure and if legalization will mean 30 mil more pouring over the border.

Specific hostility is directed towards immigrant gang members and immigrant workers who are undercutting the job market. And people are frustrated with the overload to the system from illegals in border states. You know this well in AZ - public services are stretched to the limit, esp. in healthcare, not in small part due to illegals.

I can't speak for your part of the country, but here in AZ you are dead wrong. There is a strong hate the immigrants faction. Local state legislators are pandering to that crowd..and have had numerous meetings in which white power/storm front members are there. This ain't a joke.

Sheriff Joe is now being investigated for civil rights violations...people over drivers essentially because they are brown.

Very few people are sophisticated enough to blame mexico...and only a small few are blaming the employers..and those are the liberals.

Here in AZ..."what part of illegal don't you understand?" Shootem, they have no rights, they are here illegally, send them back, their exceptional student children...send'em back, etc.

[mraynrand]

Sheriff Joe is now being investigated for civil rights violations...people over drivers essentially because they are brown.

Whose civil rights did he violate? Who is prosecuting him?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sheriff Joe is now being investigated for civil rights violations...people over drivers essentially because they are brown.

Whose civil rights did he violate? Who is prosecuting him?

American citizens. Racial profiling and illegal detainment of u.s. citizens. but, i guess if you are a brown skinned american it is ok.

The feds/justice dept.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/13/20080413gordonarpaio0413.html

[mraynrand]

Sheriff Joe is now being investigated for civil rights violations...people over drivers essentially because they are brown.

Whose civil rights did he violate? Who is prosecuting him?

American citizens. Racial profiling and illegal detainment of u.s. citizens. but, i guess if you are a brown skinned american it is ok.

The feds/justice dept.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...rpaio0413.html

Oh, 'pulling over drivers' - now I get it. Gosh, what the hell is wrong with Bush and his justees department, goin' after a good 'ole boy who jus' wants ta teach them brownies a lessin.'

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sheriff Joe is now being investigated for civil rights violations...people over drivers essentially because they are brown.

Whose civil rights did he violate? Who is prosecuting him?

American citizens. Racial profiling and illegal detainment of u.s. citizens. but, i guess if you are a brown skinned american it is ok.

The feds/justice dept.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...rpaio0413.html

Oh, 'pulling over drivers' - now I get it. Gosh, what the hell is wrong with Bush and his justees department, goin' after a good 'ole boy who jus' wants ta teach them brownies a lessin.'

His crime suppression is a joke. He is a publicity hound...never cared about illegals till he realized it was good for his reelection. Furthermore, we have real criminals out there he isn't apprehending..30k of warrants not being served.

His jail is a joke..unless as a taxpayer you don't mind the 30-40 million we have to pay due to lawsuits lost.

His sweep of Guadalupe..a town founded by Yaquis...hmm, you think a bunch of brown skinned people might live there? On a sunday..pulling over citizens off to church.

[mraynrand]

Sheriff Joe sounds like a total jackass.

[bobblehead]

Where the hell do you live that you see an exodus. I see more and more illegals every day.

Yes, there are emergency room births because these people can't get proper medical attention because they can't get normal jobs with insurance because they're illegal. They get desperate, they come here. If you can't secure the border or make conditions

I see an exodus in states that have cracked down on employers, ask ty, I think he might concur. I read a lot of articles in our paper about an exodus in AZ.

I realize they are desperate, I don't blame them one bit, I would jump the fence too. That doesn't make it good policy for america.
edit: Crack addicts are desperate too, should we forgive them for mugging old ladies?

And if you can come into this country on a student visa and get a scholarship, why can't someone who can scholastically earn a scholarship get one because their parents brought them here when they were 4?

And if an Asian wants to get into the country, there is a business visa, a passport and a job. You just have to find work and your employer can apply for permanent residence for you. Half the people I work with are from places other than America.

I agree 100%, its not quite as easy as you make it sound..trust me, I've been trying to help people, but why does an asian have to go through all that, but others merely sneak in, get an illegal job and then get to stay??

The statistics are damning, the illegals who are sneaking in have no respect for rule of law since they are illegal anyway. Am I for helping them stay....no, they need to go back, and come in the right way just like everyone else.