Surprise! Sarah Palin seems normal.

[digitaldean]

I do find it humorous, at best, that the "party of tolerance" is the one who will NEVER publicly allow dissent on the abortion issue. While the Republicans will allow those who are pro-choice or even partially pro-life under their umbrella. The Republicans are FAR from perfect but they seem to be more tolerant on that issue.

Let's face it, if the Dems had more of a pro-life plank and less hostility towards those who were pro-life, this election wouldn't even be close.

I am leaning more towards McCain now. Both have gov't expansion in mind. I just find McCain's plans less distasteful.

[digitaldean]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/01/palins-17-year-old-daughter-is-pregnant/

Just posted that Palin's daughter is pregnant and she's marrying the father.

Should be a non-issue, but leave it to the media hounds to drag this up.

What bearing does this have on her leadership? If you want to point out her total lack of foreign policy experience, OK. But this crap is what the Weekly World News is for.

[Joemailman]

Daily Kos is the nutcase fringe element of the left. Sorta like Tex on the right.

Joe, I repeat the challenge I have given several times to the forum leftists--of which, you, admittedly, are one of the least obnoxious: What of my oft-stated positions on the issues could you possibly see as extreme?

I posted this on the previous page to illustrate exactly how blatant the difference is between the views and values of us "good normal America-loving Americans" compared to practically all of those in positions of power and leadership on your side of the spectrum.

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Love of country and Patriotism versus hate, disdain, and lack of pride.

Emphasis on Judeo-Christian values and heritage versus emphasis on abortion, homosexuality, and a whole host of other sick immoral agendas.

Lower taxes, less government intrusion, emphasis on individualism and volunteerism versus socialism, tax and spend/welfare state, emphasis on dependence on government.

Positivity versus negativity.

Continuation of the Greatness of America versus CHANGE away from that greatness.

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How can you possibly deny that it is the sick depraved bastards of the left--from Obama on down--who are extreme, NOT those of us who hold the pristine views and positions above?

I think rejoicing at the dearth of Tim Russert puts you out of the mainstream of conservative thought. Several conservatives here would probably agree with that.

I think Tex's comments on Russert, etc. are outrageous, but he asked you about a set of positions above. What do you think of those?

Okay. I love my country, but I don't confuse Patriotism with support for conservatism as Tex does.

I am a Christian and therefore deplore Tex's incendiary comments toward people on the left. The idea of not being judgmental and of forgiving enemies are what distinguished Christ from his executioners. I believe most abortions should be illegal, but have little confidence that electing Republicans will achieve that .

I don't like paying high taxes any more than anyone else, but feel there are legitimate roles for government, and that takes money. The idea that the current group of Republicans are against government intrusion into people's lives is nonsense. Ask Bob Barr why he's running for President as a Libertarian. I also don't believe Republicans can claim to be fiscal conservatives anymore considering what they did from 2001-2006.

[texaspackerbacker]

A small attempt, Joe, but you still didn't address the positons of YOUR party's sick anti-American leadership--or if you think they aren't anti-American, why not.

What is conservative about:

acknowledging that America is the greatest country in the world by any standard you can name, and should remain dominant and prosperous, rather than be torn down as Obama and his kind would do?

acknowledging that leftist judges appointed by leftist politicians have dragged the country down morally,etc., and that practicing Christians are the primary victims of their undemocratic judicial oppression?

favoring "normalcy" in America over the various perversions promoted by the Dem/libs as morally equivalent alternatives?

Do you REALLY see those things as conservative--not merely pro-American positons? If not, why in the hell are you on the side of the party and politicians who are on the wrong side of all that?

[bobblehead]

I don't like paying high taxes any more than anyone else, but feel there are legitimate roles for government, and that takes money.

I know there was more to your post than this, BUT...higher tax rates are harmful to the economy, ask any economist, left or right leaning. I agree the republican party has lost its way and is not championing smaller gov't anymore, but raising taxes in hopes we can get out from under the bloated pig that is our gov't would harm us more than help. We need to attack spending at every level and work to have the free market solve as many problems as possible with gov't stepping in only where free market fails us (and Yes, I concede there are roles for gov't intervention.

NO more ted kennedy getting gov't involved in healthcare(1967)...no more bill clinton getting gov't involved in the housing market (1994)...No more GW getting the gov't involved in prescription drugs (2002). These and other "social interventions" are what are bankrupting this country and causing the problems. I realize this outlook makes me hateful and means I want old people to starve and eat dogfood (dick gephardt 1996). But hey, I'm just a guy who sees the real world and realizes that where capitalism is allowed to thrive good things happen.

[mmmdk]

What is "normalcy" to a republican?

[MJZiggy]

Here's another surprise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/01/AR2008090100710.html?hpid=topnews

[HowardRoark]

Here's another surprise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

Sarah is going to have her plate full this year.

[MJZiggy]

So she has a newborn with Downs Syndrome, a pregnant teen with a wedding coming up (shotgun?), a son leaving for Iraq, 3 other kids and a husband who is either snowmobile racing or gone industrial fishing?

And she's still Governor? Nothing at all to take her attention away from campaigning...

[BallHawk]

Surprise! I'm Pregnant.

[MJZiggy]

I've been duped. You told me you were using something!

[BallHawk]

sorry, Ballhawk. It's getting hard to know the players without a scorecard. From other posts, I see you usually are NOT one of the lefties of the forum. What gives with your post above which sounds contrary to the side you are usually on?

I identify as a Democrat, but I am far from a liberal or the far left. I'm against abortions unless there has been rape or incest. I supported the Iraq War at first, but I'm now against it. I am for Obama's healthcare plan, but I did not agree with Hillary's healthcare plan. I side with the left on most issues, but I'm not a wackhead leftist. People like Dennis Kucinich and Robert Wexler are people that I look down upon because of their extreme actions (trying to impeach Bush and Cheney)

Just thought I'd give you a better idea of where I come from when regarding politics. Politically, I'm pretty similar to Joe on the forum.

[bobblehead]

What is "normalcy" to a republican?

an adverb....but I'm pretty sure its not a real word, rather one made up by the media.

[Joemailman]

It's not a real word. "A Return To Normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign slogan in 1920. That's where it originated.

[BallHawk]

Warren Harding was assassinated.