Drilling in Alaska

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If they did change that law, then I'm with you on the applause, and not just her, but any young parent who makes a tough choice and raises the child.

A choice Mrs. Palin would take away from every woman in america. Including those victims of rape and incest.

I'm sure every woman would like a reminder of being raped or the incest for the rest of their lives.

As if they could forget.

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But, for sure they won't with a reminder.

So, then you are in favor of taking away a woman's right to choose in all cases?

[mraynrand]

If they did change that law, then I'm with you on the applause, and not just her, but any young parent who makes a tough choice and raises the child.

A choice Mrs. Palin would take away from every woman in america. Including those victims of rape and incest.

I'm sure every woman would like a reminder of being raped or the incest for the rest of their lives.

As if they could forget.

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But, for sure they won't with a reminder.

Are you suggesting that the baby would be there reminding them, if it were adopted?

[bobblehead]

If they did change that law, then I'm with you on the applause, and not just her, but any young parent who makes a tough choice and raises the child.

A choice Mrs. Palin would take away from every woman in america. Including those victims of rape and incest.

I'm sure every woman would like a reminder of being raped or the incest for the rest of their lives.

As if they could forget.

either you believe abortion is killing a child or not....rape really doesn't enter into that decision....Oh, I was raped and had the kid, but NOW I don't like the reminder....kill it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If they did change that law, then I'm with you on the applause, and not just her, but any young parent who makes a tough choice and raises the child.

A choice Mrs. Palin would take away from every woman in america. Including those victims of rape and incest.

I'm sure every woman would like a reminder of being raped or the incest for the rest of their lives.

As if they could forget.

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But, for sure they won't with a reminder.

Are you suggesting that the baby would be there reminding them, if it were adopted?

Why don't you just answer the question?

Are you in favor of taking away the right to choose in all cases. Simple question.

[mraynrand]

If they did change that law, then I'm with you on the applause, and not just her, but any young parent who makes a tough choice and raises the child.

A choice Mrs. Palin would take away from every woman in america. Including those victims of rape and incest.

I'm sure every woman would like a reminder of being raped or the incest for the rest of their lives.

As if they could forget.

Maybe they can, maybe they can't. But, for sure they won't with a reminder.

Are you suggesting that the baby would be there reminding them, if it were adopted?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Still waiting.

Interesting you won't answer as you criticize me for not defining my values. Waiting to hear yours.

[mraynrand]

I admit, I'm a quite conflicted in cases of incest, and somewhat in cases of rape. Still, biologically life begins at conception, and except in rare cases, that human being will grow and develop into a reasoning human and should be afforded the same rights as the rest of us. I don't think it's our right to take it away from developing humans when they are completely defenseless. But I know the issue is very difficult for those two cases. I would urge protecting life (Another way of looking at it is that life is the only good thing to come out of those crimes). I would not be in favor of a law banning abortion in cases of rape and incest, but I would want to provide a way to help women in those situations to choose adoption. That's not a cut and dry answer, but, like I said, I'm conflicted about it.

[mraynrand]

Still waiting.

Interesting you won't answer as you criticize me for not defining my values. Waiting to hear yours.

As far as I can tell, you have no discernable values.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I admit, I'm a quite conflicted in cases of incest, and somewhat in cases of rape. Still, biologically life begins at conception, and except in rare cases, that human being will grow and develop into a reasoning human and should be afforded the same rights as the rest of us. I don't think it's our right to take it away from developing humans when they are completely defenseless. But I know the issue is very difficult for those two cases. I would urge protecting life (Another way of looking at it is that life is the only good thing to come out of those crimes). I would not be in favor of a law banning abortion in cases of rape and incest, but I would want to provide a way to help women in those situations to choose adoption. That's not a cut and dry answer, but, like I said, I'm conflicted about it.

Would you then be able to admit that palin's position is extreme?

I'm not going to discuss the defintion of life.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I admit, I'm a quite conflicted in cases of incest, and somewhat in cases of rape. Still, biologically life begins at conception, and except in rare cases, that human being will grow and develop into a reasoning human and should be afforded the same rights as the rest of us. I don't think it's our right to take it away from developing humans when they are completely defenseless. But I know the issue is very difficult for those two cases. I would urge protecting life (Another way of looking at it is that life is the only good thing to come out of those crimes). I would not be in favor of a law banning abortion in cases of rape and incest, but I would want to provide a way to help women in those situations to choose adoption. That's not a cut and dry answer, but, like I said, I'm conflicted about it.

That's exactly how I feel. You should ask Tyrone when he thinks life begins? Conception? Birth? Somewhere in between? That's the critical question that people disagree on.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Still waiting.

Interesting you won't answer as you criticize me for not defining my values. Waiting to hear yours.

As far as I can tell, you have no discernable values.

that says more about you than me.

[mraynrand]

Still waiting.

Interesting you won't answer as you criticize me for not defining my values. Waiting to hear yours.

As far as I can tell, you have no discernable values.

that says more about you than me.

Says the guy who won't discuss the definition of life.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Would you then be able to admit that palin's position is extreme?

I'm not going to discuss the defintion of life.

Not for a Christian. Life begins at conception, according to the Bible. Like mraynrand, I realize that not everybody shares my views, so it's hard for me to say that a law should be passed to ban all abortions. However, a society has to have some fundamental morals. There has to be a limit. Should we allow partial birth abortions? Late term abortions? Where's the line?

[mraynrand]

Would you then be able to admit that palin's position is extreme?

I'm not going to discuss the defintion of life.

Not for a Christian. Life begins at conception, according to the Bible.

It's extreme in the sense that I think the polls suggest most people would allow exceptions for rape and incest. I don't think it's extreme to have the position of protecting life.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Still waiting.

Interesting you won't answer as you criticize me for not defining my values. Waiting to hear yours.

As far as I can tell, you have no discernable values.

that says more about you than me.

Says the guy who won't discuss the definition of life.

When did you ask that question? Never.

I said i wouldn't talk about it...because first the issue has to be decided about palin's position.

We can argue all day about the definition of life. LIfe vs. human life, historical viewpoints, is an embryo and human being, etc.

In Sparta it was ok to leave a child to die if it was thought to be unsuitable. Plato thought the human soul didn't enter the body till birth.

Old testament clearly doesn't define it as murder.

Should we go by the Catholic Church which for most of its history..viewed immediate animation/ensoulment as impossible, and under the traditional Catholic doctrine, a male fetus became animated — infused with a soul at forty days after conception, and the female fetus became animated at eighty days after conception?

Should be we use the metabolic, genetic, embryonic or neurologic definition of life?