Drilling in Alaska

[texaspackerbacker]

Of course, one could also take the low road, otherwise known as the Tex approach: "If this were Biden's or Obama's daughter who were pregnant, do you really think the Right wouldn't be wringing their hands and making political capital out of it?"

Hoosier, you miss the point. The New York Times USED TO BE and still PRETENDS TO BE mainstream media--NOT "the left". I guess they showed their true colors. Wouldn't you agree?

Vile as the attacks might be on Palin and her daughter, I look at it, and probably Palin herself looks at it as desperation by the leftists--who, on a national level--very much like our leftist forum flunkkies, just don't dare discuss issues because they are so horrendously WRONG on the issues--and Sarah Palin just highlights the true American views and values which the leftists HATE so much.

[retailguy]

Vile as the attacks might be on Palin and her daughter,

I see it as this is not only the "best" they've got, it's ALL they've got. If this is "all" they've got, then, well, the republican ticket is in GREAT shape.

Let's see what she says tonight. She'll either give them more material, or, she's home free until the debates.

[mraynrand]

Look how skewed the title is too

Title: Aides Say Team Interviewed Palin Late in the Process

Content: Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview


The title spins 'lengthy in-person interview' into suggesting she wasn't interviewed until late in the process, attempting to lead the reader to believe that she wasn't properly 'vetted' (Which was the Democrat talking point the last three days, pushed by all major news outs and also NBC, CBS, ABC, and PBS). The truth is that she was vetted on all the critical stuff having to do with governing, but they may have overlooked her daughter's pregnancy until the last day. Maybe Palin didn't want to tell them. They probably told her "The leftist scumbags on Daily Kos won't leave you alone. They will spread vicious rumors and then Alan Colmes and Andrew Sullivan will report them as the truth, only later removing them from their websites, after the damage is done." Then she probably told them and McCain, correctly probably said "I'm not selecting your daughter, I'm selecting you for your work as Governor cleaning up corruption in Alaska's Republican party and Big Oil."

That's a laugh, though he may well have said it. We all know the real reason he chose her: cuz the Christian Right would have had a shit fit if he had chosen a pro-choice nominee such as Lieberman or Ridge.

Way to avoid the issue of the post. But your point is absolutely correct. One of the reasons he selected her is that she has solid conservative values - the values that most Americans relate to and agree with, if they are allowed to hear them. But a huge consideration had to be her Maverick, clean up corruption credentials, because McCain knows that he can't win promoting himself as your typical Republican. Common sense, and a look at polling ought to make that obvious.

[texaspackerbacker]

Vile as the attacks might be on Palin and her daughter,

I see it as this is not only the "best" they've got, it's ALL they've got. If this is "all" they've got, then, well, the republican ticket is in GREAT shape.

Let's see what she says tonight. She'll either give them more material, or, she's home free until the debates.

I think she will do some reaching out tonight.

She doesn't have to prove herself to the base. In addition to her wonderful background of positions and views, she did some of that in her brief speech a few days ago.

Her best value is in appealing to disenfranchised Hillary supporters, women and otherwise. Ohio is the most key state in the whole country, and she solidifies that if she even wins over a few of that category. Pennsylvania is an up hill battle, but she helps the chances there too. Ditto that for West Virginia--usually a Dem state.

And in Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, etc. she helps without even a lot repeating her positions on the issues conservatives relish.

[Freak Out]

Vile as the attacks might be on Palin and her daughter,

I see it as this is not only the "best" they've got, it's ALL they've got. If this is "all" they've got, then, well, the republican ticket is in GREAT shape.

Let's see what she says tonight. She'll either give them more material, or, she's home free until the debates.

Just like most Americans you focus on the trash that equals news in this country instead of her record/lack thereof. Have you read anything about her time as mayor or Governor? She's a politician just like most that have come before her...just better looking and a little more ambitious.

[mraynrand]

Her best value is in appealing to disenfranchised Hillary supporters, women and otherwise. Ohio is the most key state in the whole country, and she solidifies that if she even wins over a few of that category.

I know someone who fits this description, but she is a democratic operative, so she's obviously going Obama. Funny thing is, when you really talk issues with her, she knows that Obama's got nothing - it's just the strong desire to get Bush the hell out of there and have the entire government in Democratic hands. They really want the redistribution floodgates to open, and they figure it will be pretty easy to push Obama around. What they are really licking their chops over is the possibility of getting a veto proof, fillibuster-proof Senate majority, so that even if McCain wins, they can force all sorts of legislation through and block any but the most moderate judges. The Dems are feelin pretty confident.

[cpk1994]

Of course, one could also take the low road, otherwise known as the Tex approach: "If this were Biden's or Obama's daughter who were pregnant, do you really think the Right wouldn't be wringing their hands and making political capital out of it?"

Its funny that they say "How can she lead when she has 5 children". I mean, The lefties don't seem to have a problem with Nancy Pelosi, who also has five children while being Speaker of the House.

[HowardRoark]

That's a laugh, though he may well have said it. We all know the real reason he chose her: cuz the Christian Right would have had a shit fit if he had chosen a pro-choice nominee such as Lieberman or Ridge.

You seem like a pretty smart guy. Someone who is able to answer a question without saying "it's above my paygrade."

When does life begin?

It really is not a "moral" issue at all (even though I am on record as saying EVERYTHING is a moral issue....and morals have to come from someplace after all......that is unless you are Ty).

No morality is a morality. Pro-Choice people are imposing their morality.

[Freak Out]

Clean up corruption? Are you talking about the ethics bill that the legislature wrote and she signed into law? Or about the Alaskan Republican party? Last time I looked the same "corrupt" republicans are running the party that were running it when she became Governor. Including the one she outed while on the oil and gas commission. The oil tax? Alaskans backed raising the tax rate on leases on State land so the legislature and Governor had no choice but to rework the royalties structure....irregardless of how much money BP and CP spent on TV time.

[mraynrand]

Clean up corruption? Are you talking about the ethics bill that the legislature wrote and she signed into law? Or about the Alaskan Republican party? Last time I looked the same "corrupt" republicans are running the party that were running it when she became Governor. Including the one she outed while on the oil and gas commission. The oil tax? Alaskans backed raising the tax rate on leases on State land so the legislature and Governor had no choice but to rework the royalties structure....irregardless of how much money BP and CP spent on TV time.

Sounds like a lot of good things happened while she was Governor. Imagine what would have happened with a Governor in the tank for the Oil industry (pun intended).

[retailguy]

Vile as the attacks might be on Palin and her daughter,

I see it as this is not only the "best" they've got, it's ALL they've got. If this is "all" they've got, then, well, the republican ticket is in GREAT shape.

Let's see what she says tonight. She'll either give them more material, or, she's home free until the debates.

Just like most Americans you focus on the trash that equals news in this country instead of her record/lack thereof. Have you read anything about her time as mayor or Governor? She's a politician just like most that have come before her...just better looking and a little more ambitious.

Quite honestly, I've read some of that. Some good, some bad, overly with my limited vantage point, it seems OK on the whole.

My comments were meant to illustrate a couple of things. 1st, you typically lead with the best you've got. This is what they're leading with. Does it make her a hypocrite? Perhaps in some areas, clearly not in other areas. The biggest downfall is that most of us have kids and realize at some point you just can't control the decision that they make. Clearly at 17, this girl is taking control of her life, and didn't include either of her parents in HER decision making process. Going down the "values" angle is a disaster for those trying to find fault with her.

2nd, if the lead story doesn't work, then, they'll move elswhere trying to find something that will stick. Problem is that they now do that with reduced credibility from those "undecided people" who are paying attention and went "so what?" over this one. Even if the next one is better, which it doesn't look like it will be, the credibility bar is higher.

3rd, doesn't the dearth of coverage regarding the issues you feel so passionate about indicate to you that most people don't find it newsworthy? I've googled about everything I can think of related to her trying to understand what you find so objectionable, and I can't figure it out. Care to fill me in? I'll read it if you post it.

Finally, an anecdotal piece. Several of you know that my wife is in Law School, and I've posted on multiple occasions that the vast majority of those who participate in my wife's study group are very liberal minded. Turns out, that 2/3'rd of those women, now intend to vote McCain as they are more excited about electing a woman than they are Obama. Many of them did not support Obama, and were strong Hillary supporters. Curiously, most of them are unconcerned about Palin's conservative leanings, even saying Palin's stance on abortion "didn't matter". take it for what it is worth, after all, it is anecdotal.

[HowardRoark]

Many of them did not support Obama, and were strong Hillary supporters. Curiously, most of them are unconcerned about Palin's conservative leanings, even saying Palin's stance on abortion "didn't matter". take it for what it is worth, after all, it is anecdotal.

Proof that women's suffrage is a bad idea.

(how do you work those damn smiley things.....if I could I would put up something that indicated I'm kidding......for the most part)

[SkinBasket]

Proof that women's suffrage is a bad idea.

(how do you work those damn smiley things.....if I could I would put up something that indicated I'm kidding......for the most part)

And you intend to vote?

[retailguy]

Many of them did not support Obama, and were strong Hillary supporters. Curiously, most of them are unconcerned about Palin's conservative leanings, even saying Palin's stance on abortion "didn't matter". take it for what it is worth, after all, it is anecdotal.

Proof that women's suffrage is a bad idea.

(how do you work those damn smiley things.....if I could I would put up something that indicated I'm kidding......for the most part)

you select the one you want, then "click on it" with your mouse.

Incidentally, the humorous part is that Palin gets more of a pass from me than she does from my wife, who struggles with the idea that she is taking time from her family.... I find that really interesting, and not at all what I expected.

[HowardRoark]

Proof that women's suffrage is a bad idea.

(how do you work those damn smiley things.....if I could I would put up something that indicated I'm kidding......for the most part)

And you intend to vote?

Only if my wife explains to me (real slowly) where the polling place is.