religion & politics

[Tyrone Bigguns]

One day the left accuses her of an adulterous affair.....

When did the National Enquirer become the voice of the Democratic Party?

the same day the KKK became the voice of the right.

Robert C. Byrd is on the right?

So predictable.

Do i have to go into the lengthy list of repubs elected that were KKK members...AGAIN!

No, just tell me about all the democrats that voted for the 14th and 15th amendment, and all the Republicans who voted for Jim Crow laws. How about the voting records during the civil rights movement?

Stop being an ass. We are talking now, not in the past.

Far be it from you to actually castigate someone for saying the Enquirer represents the dems.

As for the past. LBJ essentially gave away the south to the repubs by pushing civil rights. All those dems are now repubs. Deny it...you can't.

[mraynrand]

As for the past. LBJ essentially gave away the south to the repubs by pushing civil rights. All those dems are now repubs. Deny it...you can't.

You're out of your mind. Almost all the southern Democrats in 1964 voted against the civil rights laws. Byrd was the only 'Northern' Democrat to vote against it. Why didn't the dems vote with LBJ?

You're a fool for bringing up the KKK, which is essentially defunct. The history of the Democratic party and civil rights for Blacks is abysmal. First they were against al the important amendments and Civil rights laws, and then, starting mainly with LBJ, they destroyed black families with great society programs.

And National enquirer? Are you really bringing that up? You're the fool who started threads about 'news stories' from that rag, trying to make a lame connection with the Edwards story that was completely untrue. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were wasted or something.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As for the past. LBJ essentially gave away the south to the repubs by pushing civil rights. All those dems are now repubs. Deny it...you can't.

You're out of your mind. Almost all the southern Democrats in 1964 voted against the civil rights laws. Byrd was the only 'Northern' Democrat to vote against it. Why didn't the dems vote with LBJ?

You're a fool for bringing up the KKK, which is essentially defunct. The history of the Democratic party and civil rights for Blacks is abysmal. First they were against al the important amendments and Civil rights laws, and then, starting mainly with LBJ, they destroyed black families with great society programs.

And National enquirer? Are you really bringing that up? You're the fool who started threads about 'news stories' from that rag, trying to make a lame connection with the Edwards story that was completely untrue. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were wasted or something.

My god, you are dense. Of course they did...and now they are REPUBLICANS. Deny it.

When did i say they did differently. LBJ broke from the south dems and essentially lost them forever.

Again, we are talkng now. And, if you think the KKK is dead..then you are really dumb. And, if we accept your premise..fine, let's just substitue XXX amount of white power groups instead. Perhaps a visit to the SPLC's website is needed.

NE thread..nope..right in here...funny how you can reply to me, but miss the whole point of the quote boxes. Time to adjust your meds.

[Joemailman]

I think anybody who is a sincere Christian has to see all of their actions as doing God's work, I have zero problem with that statement.

IF there is some (apparently very bored) higher power up there, monitoring each and every one of our actions, and and an afterlife to look forward to, then what could possibly be more important than trying to live according to this God's purpose?

Personally, I long for the day when it is OK for an atheist to run for office. Then we wouldn't have politicians like Obama sitting in nut-job churches, thinking they are covering their asses.

I'm a religious person, but I deplore the mixing of religion and politics. Anyone with a sense of history should see that doing so tends to corrupt religion. Christ had followers who wanted him to use his status as a preacher to achieve political gains for the Israelites. Christ saw the folly of this. If only more religious leaders would follow his example.

[falco]

I think anybody who is a sincere Christian has to see all of their actions as doing God's work, I have zero problem with that statement.

IF there is some (apparently very bored) higher power up there, monitoring each and every one of our actions, and and an afterlife to look forward to, then what could possibly be more important than trying to live according to this God's purpose?

Personally, I long for the day when it is OK for an atheist to run for office. Then we wouldn't have politicians like Obama sitting in nut-job churches, thinking they are covering their asses.

I'm a religious person, but I deplore the mixing of religion and politics. Anyone with a sense of history should see that doing so tends to corrupt religion. Christ had followers who wanted him to use his status as a preacher to achieve political gains for the Israelites. Christ saw the folly of this. If only more religious leaders would follow his example.

religion + politics = lots of dead people

[mraynrand]

My god, you are dense. Of course they did...and now they are REPUBLICANS. Deny it.

Who is left? Robert C. Byrd is a Democrat. He didn't change affiliation.

How many current Republicans are you willing to libel?

[HowardRoark]

I'm a religious person, but I deplore the mixing of religion and politics. Anyone with a sense of history should see that doing so tends to corrupt religion. Christ had followers who wanted him to use his status as a preacher to achieve political gains for the Israelites. Christ saw the folly of this. If only more religious leaders would follow his example.

One of the best things I have ever read at PackerRats.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm a religious person, but I deplore the mixing of religion and politics. Anyone with a sense of history should see that doing so tends to corrupt religion. Christ had followers who wanted him to use his status as a preacher to achieve political gains for the Israelites. Christ saw the folly of this. If only more religious leaders would follow his example.

One of the best things I have ever read at PackerRats.

It is and it isn't. Coming from Joe with his history of posting--liberal as it may be, I can still see the sentiment as sincere and genuine. However, I've heard similar words countless times from completely disingenuous haters of all Christ stood for, not to mention America.

The fact is, politics and religion are inexorably intertwined for a couple of reasons: First of all, America's primary enemies in the past half century or more have made hatred of OUR religion and heritage their primary focus. Secondly, the fundamental premise of the message put out by both sides in the political realm is that THEY have the moral highground--and moral highground correlates closely to religious virtue.

America has been a Christian nation from its inception. That fact is in no way contradictory to the Constitutional prohibition of a state religion. The situation simply is what it is. Barak Obama expressed joy the other day that it's his observation that America NO LONGER IS a Christian nation. Well, I'd say, that's one of the questions that will be cleared up a bit on election day.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm a religious person, but I deplore the mixing of religion and politics. Anyone with a sense of history should see that doing so tends to corrupt religion. Christ had followers who wanted him to use his status as a preacher to achieve political gains for the Israelites. Christ saw the folly of this. If only more religious leaders would follow his example.

One of the best things I have ever read at PackerRats.

You have changed the topic. You are saying that using religion to achieve political power is wrong. Fine. We can all agree on that, I suspect.

But should religious belief inform political postions? OF COURSE! How could a person possibly separate their religous beliefs from their decisons on political questions, the overlap is unavoidable.

[mraynrand]

Obama's writings in an email

"For progressives, I think we should recognize the role that values and culture play in addressing some of our most urgent social problems. As I've said many times before, the problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed aren't simply technical problems in search of a ten-point plan. They're rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness - in the imperfections of man. When a gang-banger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels somebody disrespected him, we've got a moral problem. There's a hole in that young man's heart - a hole that the government alone cannot fix."

"I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."

From a speech last month:

"Somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together and started being used to drive us apart. It got hijacked. Part of it's because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, who've been all too eager to exploit what divides us."

"My intention was to contrast the heated partisan rhetoric of a distinct minority of Christian leaders with the vast majority of Evangelical Christians - conservatives included - who believe that hate has no place in our politics. When you have pastors and television pundits who appear to explicitly coordinate with one political party; when you're implying that your fellow Americans are traitors, terrorist sympathizers or akin to the devil himself; then I think you're attempting to hijack the faith of those who follow you for your own personal or political ends."

"I don't think it's helpful as candidates or as a country to get into discussions about who's more religious. That sounds a little like storing up treasures on earth to me. I've just always been clear that my Christian faith has motivated me for twenty years and I'm not ashamed to talk about it, or the role that faith should play in our American life."

[BallHawk]

First of all, America's primary enemies in the past half century or more have made hatred of OUR religion

Not true. People like Osama Bin Laden have become our enemies because we meddled around in their country's affairs, not because our country is Christian. Quite frankly, he couldn't give a damn who we worship. When we came into the middle east and started screwing around with things THAT is when trouble started, not when we became believers in Jesus Christ.

[HarveyWallbangers]

People like Osama Bin Laden have become our enemies because we meddled around in their country's affairs.

What are you, French?

[BallHawk]

People like Osama Bin Laden have become our enemies because we meddled around in their country's affairs.

What are you, French?

I'll have to check my family tree. I think I have some French in there somewhere.

[Harlan Huckleby]

ballhawk, your family tree is more like a pole.

[Harlan Huckleby]

msaynrand, I don't see any contradiction in those two quotes from Obama.