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  • I don't know where I was last Friday, but this is the first I read Arcilite's list above.

    The answer to your question, Arcilite, is that all of those things, if they pertained to Obama would have either never seen the light of day in the media or been severely de-emphasized or been "positivized" by the media or the old standby, been completely drowned out by lesser or bogus issues pertaining to the other side.

    For evidence of your little "what if", just consider how the media treatment--and thus, exposure to the public--has been about Wright, Ayers, Flaggert, Rezco, Obama's Muslim upbringing, Obama's Kenyan connections, Obama's eligibility uncertainty, Obama's mother, step-father, long lost brother, etc., Obama's activities as a "community organizer", the life and quotes of Michelle Obama, on and on and on.

    Yeah, 7 points down, and somehow, I doubt that McCain is gonna come out swinging and say anything to make a difference tonight.

    The better hope to cling to is the prospect of the polls being flawed, as I have discussed several times.
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    • Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
      Yeah, 7 points down, and somehow, I doubt that McCain is gonna come out swinging and say anything to make a difference tonight.
      They pointed out on the news last night that in 2000 Bush down 8% points behind Gore and came back and won the election. They were making the comparison and saying Obama shouldn’t rest on his laurels, but I think that these polls do not really capture the true voting picture on election day.

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      • Originally posted by LL2
        Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
        Yeah, 7 points down, and somehow, I doubt that McCain is gonna come out swinging and say anything to make a difference tonight.
        They pointed out on the news last night that in 2000 Bush down 8% points behind Gore and came back and won the election. They were making the comparison and saying Obama shouldn’t rest on his laurels, but I think that these polls do not really capture the true voting picture on election day.
        Carter was 30 points up (many compare the general mood to those times) and won by 2 points.
        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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        • Originally posted by Zool

          You know by belittling the opinion of the "lefts", you're calling them dumb. You dont have to actually say the words to mean the same thing.
          I'd say by pointing out that people on the left don't know the difference between intelligence and opinion is evidence they are dumb.
          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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          • Originally posted by LL2
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            Yeah, 7 points down, and somehow, I doubt that McCain is gonna come out swinging and say anything to make a difference tonight.
            They pointed out on the news last night that in 2000 Bush down 8% points behind Gore and came back and won the election. They were making the comparison and saying Obama shouldn’t rest on his laurels, but I think that these polls do not really capture the true voting picture on election day.
            These poll shift examples are better arguments for flawed polling than for drastic last minute changes.

            As I have mentioned several times, the Bradley effect as well as a "reverse Bradley effect" of women not telling pollsters they will vote for the ticket with the woman on it, these could make major differences, particularly in states key where there is less than a 5% difference.

            I was actually disappointed and in fact, disgusted with McCain tonight--I was yelling at the TV like I do in football and basketball games sometimes because he was such a wimp for not confronting Obama over the association with terrorists and America-haters, etc. I suppose McCain thinks he has to be that way due to the fact that the God damned leftist media has so poisoned the electorate to the extent that speaking out on that would hurt his chances.
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            • The debate was interesting, but it means little at this point.

              The electoral map is pretty much set. Nevada, Colorado, Missouri, Florida, and Ohio are the only states to be decided. Even if McCain picks up all of those he's still short and Obama wins.

              Anybody wanna tell me, specifically, how McCain wins the electoral map?
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              • Originally posted by BallHawk
                The debate was interesting, but it means little at this point.

                The electoral map is pretty much set. Nevada, Colorado, Missouri, Florida, and Ohio are the only states to be decided. Even if McCain picks up all of those he's still short and Obama wins.

                Anybody wanna tell me, specifically, how McCain wins the electoral map?
                This thing is far from over as far as I'm concerned....even with Republican leadership running the country to the brink of oblivion this thing is still to close.
                C.H.U.D.

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                • Ballhawk, you must be giving Obama something that is still in doubt. I've got McCain with 174 solid. I have him winning by small margins in Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, and Missouri, even though the polls don't reflect it that way. That is 86 more, bringing it up to 260.

                  From there, it gets kinda hairy. You have Nevada (5), New Mexico (5), Colorado (9), Vermont (3), Michigan (17), Pennsylvania (21), Wisconsin (10), and Minnesota (10), ALL of which easily could go to Obama, but only one or a couple of which need to swing to McCain for a McCain win.

                  I see Nevada and Colorado as the best bets, as there are a lot of Hispanics who are probably showing in polls as pro-Obama, but more likely to vote for McCain--the Bradley effect in action.

                  It ain't lookin' good at this point, but McCain is far from out of it.
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                  • Obama up by 10 pts 52-42 in the latest Gallup Poll. McCain's running out of time.
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                    • I just don't think the moron's quite done yet, Cheese...
                      "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                      • Virginia is the key, where polls are showing Obama up by about 8. If Obama wins Virginia, he can win the election even if he loses Missouri, Ohio and Florida.
                        I can't run no more
                        With that lawless crowd
                        While the killers in high places
                        Say their prayers out loud
                        But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                        A thundercloud
                        They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                        • Originally posted by Joemailman
                          Virginia is the key, where polls are showing Obama up by about 8. If Obama wins Virginia, he can win the election even if he loses Missouri, Ohio and Florida.
                          Colin Powell endorsed Obama yesterday. Barring some rock-our-world event that really plays well for Repubs in next three weeks, I think Powell's endorsement sews up VA for That One.

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                          • Yes, Powell still has a lot of respect in them thar hills (and around the beltway as well.)
                            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                            • As Rush said, who was the last inexperienced liberal white guy Powell endorsed? This is racial, so sad to see a fine man being reduced to decisions made by skin color.
                              Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                              • Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
                                Obama up by 10 pts 52-42 in the latest Gallup Poll. McCain's running out of time.
                                Less than 3. The Bradley effect is worth at least 6 - maybe more-this maybe a landslide.
                                Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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