Stick a fork in this moron.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, as Howard posts...Obama still up. Buhbye.

My goodness. I didn't know that I missed the vote. That's too bad.


Oh, wait. You mean up in those telephone survey polls? Those ones conducted mainly during working hours? The same ones that can't seem to explain the sudden conservative (read: employed) turnout?

Whew. I thought for a moment the fight was already lost.

Ok. Please explain to your brethren then that the Gallup/ras/etc..mean nothing then.

Yours is a specious argument.

Can't explain..really? I guess all the pundits on fox explaining the palin bounce, the independents moving towards mccain, etc. are just figments of my imagination.

[SkinBasket]

just figments of my imagination.

I think you have a lot of figments. Or delusions. Specifying between the two might be difficult.

[Freak Out]

This race is far from over. Palin has little to no political history so the digging will die down soon enough and unless "troopergate" really gets legs it is going to come down to the debates and the issues like it should. There are a load of things really outside any of these wankers control that could play a big part in the outcome of the election but we'll see what happens in the next 40 days or so.
The polls and a bounce mean zero at the moment.
The specter of Dubya could yet play a very detrimental part as well.

[Tarlam!]

The World is watching very closely. The good news is, the World is in a Win/Win situation. Both candidates are light years better than Dubbya. So, the World gets improvement, no matter who you'all elect.

[sheepshead]

Ty in this case perception is reality. There is no two ways out of this one whatever the intent was.

I'm not sure he was necessarily being malicious but one thing is certain, he's an arrogant jerk.

Remember Barry, when you point a finger, three are pointing back at you.

What would you guys be saying if McCain said something similar about Michelle O?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZd_Y_D-RaA

[mraynrand]

not really confined to Obama:

"One can only hope that John McCain has an awfully big tube of lipstick, because he’ll need it to put lipstick on that pig."

http://canarypapers.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/putting-lipstick-on-a-pig-mccains-pygmalion-complex-with-sarah-palin/

"Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like a Lipstick-Wearing-Pig"

http://whitenoiseinsanity.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/joe-biden-makes-sarah-palin-look-like-lipstick-wearing-pig/

"The "PIG with LIPSTICK", Sarah PALIN finds out "TROOPER-GATE" SCANDAL goes to COURT with VERDICT coming before NOVEMBER 2008 ELECTION"

http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboards/thread.aspx?threadid=772177

[LL2]

The World is watching very closely. The good news is, the World is in a Win/Win situation. Both candidates are light years better than Dubbya. So, the World gets improvement, no matter who you'all elect.

Tarlam...does the U.S. political scene get coverage in the press (print and TV media) in Europe and England? What are they saying about Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin?

[LL2]

Please...........I hardly think that's what he meant.

Maybe not...but the Dems and the media would have a quite a day with it if McCain said anything about lipstick on a pig...and many would think they were referring to Hilary.

[mraynrand]

Please...........I hardly think that's what he meant.

Maybe not...but the Dems and the media would have a quite a day with it if McCain said anything about lipstick on a pig...and many would think they were referring to Hilary.

The Dems would. But in the end it won't mean much. Just like the lipstick jab at Palin. Ultimately, it's just a jab - and it is a play off her most memorabl line from the convention. It was a good comeback. The Dems are going to give her hell and she has to take it and dish it back. It's going to be a battle. Plus, let's be honest about the actual jab - 'lipstick on a pig' isn't calling the person a pig - it's a general comment about someone's political appeal, and how you can't pretty it up with lipstick. Next.

[hoosier]

Please...........I hardly think that's what he meant.

Maybe not...but the Dems and the media would have a quite a day with it if McCain said anything about lipstick on a pig...and many would think they were referring to Hilary.

The Dems would. But in the end it won't mean much. Just like the lipstick jab at Palin. Ultimately, it's just a jab - and it is a play off her most memorabl line from the convention. It was a good comeback. The Dems are going to give her hell and she has to take it and dish it back. It's going to be a battle. Plus, let's be honest about the actual jab - 'lipstick on a pig' isn't calling the person a pig - it's a general comment about someone's political appeal, and how you can't pretty it up with lipstick. Next.

I take back (at least partially) what I said in the other thread about hypocrisy. Mraynrand may well be the poster with whom I disagree most in here on political issues, but his intellectual honesty is unquestionable.

[texaspackerbacker]

The World is watching very closely. The good news is, the World is in a Win/Win situation. Both candidates are light years better than Dubbya. So, the World gets improvement, no matter who you'all elect.

Tarlam...does the U.S. political scene get coverage in the press (print and TV media) in Europe and England? What are they saying about Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin?

That's a good question. Tarlam, I know you have said in the past that Dem/lib candidates get a lot more positive media coverage. Obviously, they would be fascinated by Barak Obama. But with the Palin factor now in play, are most Europeans--media as well as regular people--star-struck with her? Or negative about her because of her generally conservative/pro-American attitude? Or something else altogether?

[sheepshead]

Tell your friends across the pond that every cheer for Obama means another 250,000 votes for McCain. We don't like outsiders meddling in our business ESPECIALLY national politics.

[HowardRoark]

Colorado moved to toss-up from the Dems overnight.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_electoral_college_update

[Joemailman]

Ty in this case perception is reality. There is no two ways out of this one whatever the intent was.

I'm not sure he was necessarily being malicious but one thing is certain, he's an arrogant jerk.

Remember Barry, when you point a finger, three are pointing back at you.

What would you guys be saying if McCain said something similar about Michelle O?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZd_Y_D-RaA

Since you seem really knowledgeable about politics, I assume you know that McCain used the same phrase while talking about Hillary's health care plan earlier this year.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-piggish-debat.html

September 09, 2008 8:42 PM

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was “eerily” similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993.

“I think they put some lipstick on a pig,” he said, “but it’s still a pig.”

A common expression, right?

McCain surely wasn't calling Clinton a pig.

After all, McCain's former press secretary, Torie Clarke, wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No-Spin Era."

Now McCain is running an internet ad accusing Obama of a smear for using the same phrase he used against Clinton. Maybe he should accuse Obama of plagiarism instead. Not that I would want to accuse Saint John of hypocrisy or anything...

[texaspackerbacker]

Colorado moved to toss-up from the Dems overnight.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/

election_2008_electoral_college_update

Exactly, and on top of that, you have poll results skewed in favor of Obama because there are so many Hispanics in Colorado (and New Mexico) aren't going to tell the pollsters, but who wouldn't be caught dead voting for a black guy.