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  • #31
    Originally posted by MJZiggy
    How could it be a witch hunt if it was started by republicans before she was selected for VP?

    If she abused her power, they'd be calling her an idiot. If the first dude were a dem, they'd be playing up your impression that he isn't too bright more than anything. And you thing Greta's gonna be asking real questions?

    And yes, we heard for years that Bill was the one running NY. She just managed to overcome it.
    I think the main problem is with the timing of the release of the investigation findings. Other than that, it's a non-story, like most of the stuff thrown at Palin. There's just not all that much to criticise, other than her ideology and politics (and her lack of experience and seasoning - both a problem and an advatage at the same time). The Dems keep trying to find the pubic hair on the Coke can, but there isn't one.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
      I think the republicans have fallen into a trap by making Palin such a focus. First of all, nobody actually much cares about the VP, you hope they have the temperment to steer the ship for a couple years if the Pres gets whacked. The only people who care about the smears (justified or not) against Palin are diehard Dems.

      The more the election seems like Obama vrs Palin, the more likely McCain can sneak-up and upset the Messiah. People are reminded that Obama and Palin are of similar status in terms of experience.
      Harlan, correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but isn't your second paragraph directly contradictory to the first?
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      • #33
        Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
        I think the republicans have fallen into a trap by making Palin such a focus. First of all, nobody actually much cares about the VP, you hope they have the temperment to steer the ship for a couple years if the Pres gets whacked. The only people who care about the smears (justified or not) against Palin are diehard Dems.

        The more the election seems like Obama vrs Palin, the more likely McCain can sneak-up and upset the Messiah. People are reminded that Obama and Palin are of similar status in terms of experience.
        Harlan, correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but isn't your second paragraph directly contradictory to the first?
        I assumed he meant to write 'democrats' where he wrote 'republicans' inthe first sentence.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by MJZiggy
          How could it be a witch hunt if it was started by republicans before she was selected for VP?

          If she abused her power, they'd be calling her an idiot. If the first dude were a dem, they'd be playing up your impression that he isn't too bright more than anything. And you thing Greta's gonna be asking real questions?

          And yes, we heard for years that Bill was the one running NY. She just managed to overcome it.
          Glad you asked that, Ziggy. I figured somebody would.

          Originally, this was an innocent bi-partisan or non-partisan inquiry, which both Palins were cooperating fully with. Then, it got hijacked by Obama's army of troublemakers, desperately trying to smear her--and him--somehow. Did you hear the interview with the Democrat Chairman of the legislative committee conducting the whole mess?

          I don't know enough of your personal life to understand your motivations--and I really don't want to. However, I would think in a purely unbiased objective sense, women would be able to empathize and sympathize with the sister(s)--one divorcing an abuser with a badge, and the other in a position to help the first. Are you capable of that unbiased objectivity? Or are you a shill for the left and an unabashed Obamaphile who throws out decency and normalcy to support the candidate who wants to CHANGE everything that is good and decent in this country?
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          • #35
            Originally posted by mraynrand
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
            I think the republicans have fallen into a trap by making Palin such a focus. First of all, nobody actually much cares about the VP, you hope they have the temperment to steer the ship for a couple years if the Pres gets whacked. The only people who care about the smears (justified or not) against Palin are diehard Dems.

            The more the election seems like Obama vrs Palin, the more likely McCain can sneak-up and upset the Messiah. People are reminded that Obama and Palin are of similar status in terms of experience.
            Harlan, correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but isn't your second paragraph directly contradictory to the first?
            I assumed he meant to write 'democrats' where he wrote 'republicans' inthe first sentence.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
              Originally posted by MJZiggy
              How could it be a witch hunt if it was started by republicans before she was selected for VP?

              If she abused her power, they'd be calling her an idiot. If the first dude were a dem, they'd be playing up your impression that he isn't too bright more than anything. And you thing Greta's gonna be asking real questions?

              And yes, we heard for years that Bill was the one running NY. She just managed to overcome it.
              Glad you asked that, Ziggy. I figured somebody would.

              Originally, this was an innocent bi-partisan or non-partisan inquiry, which both Palins were cooperating fully with. Then, it got hijacked by Obama's army of troublemakers, desperately trying to smear her--and him--somehow. Did you hear the interview with the Democrat Chairman of the legislative committee conducting the whole mess?

              I don't know enough of your personal life to understand your motivations--and I really don't want to. However, I would think in a purely unbiased objective sense, women would be able to empathize and sympathize with the sister(s)--one divorcing an abuser with a badge, and the other in a position to help the first. Are you capable of that unbiased objectivity? Or are you a shill for the left and an unabashed Obamaphile who throws out decency and normalcy to support the candidate who wants to CHANGE everything that is good and decent in this country?
              That's the thing, though. The other was in a position to help to a degree. Sure, she could and should have requested an investigation and gotten protection for her sister. Once she ordered the investigation, she stepped across the line when fired the investigator because she didn't like the result if that's what really happened.

              And do you think that if this happened to a democratic governor who is up for the VP the GOP wouldn't be like a rabid bulldog about it? You'd be calling that person every slur in the book and wishing you could finish them off like they truly deserved. (that's the part where you come off as a little extreme...everyone who does not agree with you, does not hate America--they simply have a different idea of what's best for the country).
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              • #37
                Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                Several things should be noted about this case:

                1. This investigation about Palin's alleged abuse of power started before she was chosen as the Vice-Presidential candidate.

                2. Initially, Palin agreed to cooperate with this investigation. Now she and witnesses friendly to her cause want the investigation delayed until January which will be after the election.

                3. Palin and supporters claim the investigation is politically partisan. The 12 person bipartisan investigation consists of 4 Democrats and 8 Republicans! Despite the 2 to 1 ratio, Palin suggests the investigation is partisan. Baloney!
                You do realize she made a lot of enemies in the REPUBLICAN party don't you? ITs partisan allright. Partisan politics from people in her own party up there that want to take her down.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  How could it be a witch hunt if it was started by republicans before she was selected for VP?

                  If she abused her power, they'd be calling her an idiot. If the first dude were a dem, they'd be playing up your impression that he isn't too bright more than anything. And you thing Greta's gonna be asking real questions?

                  And yes, we heard for years that Bill was the one running NY. She just managed to overcome it.
                  Glad you asked that, Ziggy. I figured somebody would.

                  Originally, this was an innocent bi-partisan or non-partisan inquiry, which both Palins were cooperating fully with. Then, it got hijacked by Obama's army of troublemakers, desperately trying to smear her--and him--somehow. Did you hear the interview with the Democrat Chairman of the legislative committee conducting the whole mess?

                  I don't know enough of your personal life to understand your motivations--and I really don't want to. However, I would think in a purely unbiased objective sense, women would be able to empathize and sympathize with the sister(s)--one divorcing an abuser with a badge, and the other in a position to help the first. Are you capable of that unbiased objectivity? Or are you a shill for the left and an unabashed Obamaphile who throws out decency and normalcy to support the candidate who wants to CHANGE everything that is good and decent in this country?
                  That's the thing, though. The other was in a position to help to a degree. Sure, she could and should have requested an investigation and gotten protection for her sister. Once she ordered the investigation, she stepped across the line when fired the investigator because she didn't like the result if that's what really happened.

                  And do you think that if this happened to a democratic governor who is up for the VP the GOP wouldn't be like a rabid bulldog about it? You'd be calling that person every slur in the book and wishing you could finish them off like they truly deserved. (that's the part where you come off as a little extreme...everyone who does not agree with you, does not hate America--they simply have a different idea of what's best for the country).
                  To be precise, she found another valid reason/excuse to fire the guy. Do you have a problem with that--in an objective sense?

                  As for the "if it was a Democrat female governor", yes, probably the opposing party would try to make a big deal about it. The difference is that they would be SHOUTED DOWN and VILLIFIED by the mainstream media instead of the damn leftist shills of the media taking it and running with it in total unabashed OBAMAPHILIA/PALIN-HATE. And you KNOW that's true.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by cpk1994
                    Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                    Several things should be noted about this case:

                    1. This investigation about Palin's alleged abuse of power started before she was chosen as the Vice-Presidential candidate.

                    2. Initially, Palin agreed to cooperate with this investigation. Now she and witnesses friendly to her cause want the investigation delayed until January which will be after the election.

                    3. Palin and supporters claim the investigation is politically partisan. The 12 person bipartisan investigation consists of 4 Democrats and 8 Republicans! Despite the 2 to 1 ratio, Palin suggests the investigation is partisan. Baloney!
                    You do realize she made a lot of enemies in the REPUBLICAN party don't you? ITs partisan allright. Partisan politics from people in her own party up there that want to take her down.
                    I think, if you believe she did "shake things up" as she claims that BOTH parties want to take her down.

                    Reality is that people don't like change. They work their whole life to "get their share" and then someone screws it up.... Yep, I'd get even too. Of course, I don't "want" to get it that way, but.... if you think about it this stuff really isn't too damn hard to figure out.

                    I understand why Obama hasn't "reformed" Chicago politics. Quite simply, he like the opportunity for a "career" more than he likes to be "completely honest" in his politics. For all you liberals, this IS NOT a criticism, merely an observation. 98% of people would do the same thing in his position.

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                    • #40
                      I don't know, Retail. Much as you may hate her, a bit of hometown pride takes over and you might not want HER, but she's your opportunity for a VP from Alaska. It's not like Stevens is gonna get elected anytime soon...I gotta think that trumps being pissed.
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                      • #41
                        Alaska town opens 'road to nowhere'
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                        JUNEAU, Alaska — Alaska now has a Road to Nowhere going to what would have been the Bridge to Nowhere.

                        Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's transportation department has completed a $25 million gravel road leading to the site of a bridge that Palin, as John McCain's vice presidential candidate, now boasts that she stopped, so as to save taxpayers money. The road was built with federal tax dollars.

                        Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein said the 3.2-mile road will be useful for road races, hunters and possibly future development. But with no bridge to serve it, that's probably about it.

                        "I think it will be good for recreational things like a 5K and a 10K," Weinstein said. "And instead of people walking through brush, it may be used for hunting in the area."

                        Palin repeatedly tells campaign crowds she said "thanks but no thanks" to Washington when it came up with $400 million for a bridge linking Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport. In fact, she turned against the bridge only after it became a national symbol of wasteful spending and Washington had backed off financing the project.

                        Roger Wetherell, speaking for the state Transportation Department, said the road opened several days ago might someday get people to and from Gravina Island after all, if cheaper designs for a bridge become a reality. Meantime, it opens access to land development, he said.

                        McCain opposes the pet projects that lawmakers in Washington wring out of the federal budget for their constituents in the form of special spending, or earmarks. He's railed for years against the bridge, doing more than anyone to make the nickname Bridge to Nowhere stick. And as his running mate, Palin talks about how she killed the bridge project and "championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress."

                        She supported the bridge during her campaign for governor in 2006, then pulled back state money for it a year later, after Washington had pulled the plug.

                        Alaska received about half the bridge money anyway, on condition it be used for other things. Palin's predecessor and the Legislature redirected all but $60 million in 2006 to other projects, and Palin has left the remainder untouched, to be used eventually to improve access to the island, her spokeswoman has said.

                        The airport is separated from its users by a quarter-mile-wide channel of water, forcing travelers to catch either a ferry or a water taxi for a 15-minute ride. Ketchikan, seven blocks wide and eight miles long, is Alaska's entry port for northbound cruise ships that bring more than 1 million visitors yearly.

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                        • #42
                          "Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's transportation department has completed a $25 million gravel road leading to the site of a bridge that Palin, as John McCain's vice presidential candidate, now boasts that she stopped, so as to save taxpayers money. The road was built with federal tax dollars.

                          Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein said the 3.2-mile road will be useful for road races, hunters and possibly future development. But with no bridge to serve it, that's probably about it. "

                          So happy my tax dollars were put to good use

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                          • #43
                            So...it cost $25 MILLION to build 3.5 miles of GRAVEL road?????

                            The cheapskate in me is doing back flips over this.
                            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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