What exactly are they afraid of?

[falco]

man i can't wait for the election to be over

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Deny it all you want, but the gov't regularly distorts budgets, etc.

Who's distorting a budget? I thought we were hiding a recession.

Your statement was essentially that info was available...and i stated simply that info isn't available nor is the info correct.

[Kiwon]

Add in the complete failure of the free market in our financial sector..

Fanny and Freddie were free?

Strawman argument.

BTW, why is it always a "strawman" with you.

Why not "hayman" or "grassman?"

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Add in the complete failure of the free market in our financial sector..

Fanny and Freddie were free?

Strawman argument.

BTW, why is it always a "strawman" with you.

Why not "hayman" or "grassman?"

Because that is the correct term. You should really learn it, since you create them all the time.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute, then attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position. Hmmm, sound like anything you continually do?

Straw man fallacy:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:


Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

Which you just did in the thread about the courts in San Fran.

[Kiwon]

You are a god among mere mortals, TB.

We aren't worthy.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are a god among mere mortals, TB.

We aren't worthy.

Are you telling me something i don't know. Every post of yours reaffirms that.

[packinpatland]

I can't believe there's been no mention of McCain seemingly 'bailing out' of Friday's election...........

[falco]

I can't believe there's been no mention of McCain seemingly 'bailing out' of Friday's election...........

certainly a unique situation - the economy and financial sector in a crisis only weeks before the election

i understand what McCain's doing, but it will remain to be seen what the general public will think of it

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I can't believe there's been no mention of McCain seemingly 'bailing out' of Friday's election...........

Election? Senior moment?

[packinpatland]

I can't believe there's been no mention of McCain seemingly 'bailing out' of Friday's election...........

Election? Senior moment?

No, this time it's not a senior moment....it's that second glass of wine.....

To get back to my question about the no show at the debate........

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I can't believe there's been no mention of McCain seemingly 'bailing out' of Friday's election...........

Election? Senior moment?

No, this time it's not a senior moment....it's that second glass of wine.....

To get back to my question about the no show at the debate........

I can see both sides to this one.

But, i find it hard to believe Mac or Obama can really do much...so, i think the debate should go on.

[digitaldean]

I personally think that it's not that big of a deal to just postpone a debate.

Considering this bailout will cost every American man, woman and child $2,300 at just the present estimates , I think waiting a few days won't matter.

McCain suspending campaigning can be interpreted two ways:
1.) A purely political move to regain some bump in the polls
or
2.) A necessary move to help end this mess before it gets even worse than it is now.

This will affect the average person a lot more than we may think. No one, including these 2 candidates show no real leadership on this issue, until McCain did today. You do not just suspend campaigning in a neck & neck election on a whim.

There is MORE than enough blame to go around. To be honest, it lays at the foot of the institutions that doled out the bad loans or invested incorrectly; Congress - which provided ZERO real oversight, the President and his appointed heads at the SEC and the Fed who also did next to nothing to avoid this mess.

[SkinBasket]

Deny it all you want, but the gov't regularly distorts budgets, etc.

Who's distorting a budget? I thought we were hiding a recession.

Your statement was essentially that info was available...and i stated simply that info isn't available nor is the info correct.

How do you know it's not correct if it's not available?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Deny it all you want, but the gov't regularly distorts budgets, etc.

Who's distorting a budget? I thought we were hiding a recession.

Your statement was essentially that info was available...and i stated simply that info isn't available nor is the info correct.

How do you know it's not correct if it's not available?

Right. I'm suppose to prove a negative.

The point, regardless of party, is that info from the gov isn't available...certainly not the present spending...and that often what they do present is not truthful..the costs. For example, Bush's medicare plan will cost almost double from what he stated. And, that isn't a simple miscalc...it was intentional.

Based on past history with Cheney, we can expect a big run-up in outlays. I'd be willing to bet the Pentagon is up to that again.

[SkinBasket]

Right. I'm suppose to prove a negative.

No. You're supposed to back up your statement that you believe the government, no not even the government - this administration - is hiding a recession from everyone, including economists, the legislation, the media, wall street, foreign markets, and every one of the millions of democrats in all walks of life looking for any reason to demonize this administration further. Like most of your arguments, you back it with a theory that would require you to prove a negative. Instead of seeing that as a flaw in your argument, you ask everyone else to prove you wrong while you construct several of your beloved "straw men" and disregard anything that contradicts you.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to find that weather control beam. Unreasonable mistrust of a Republican government? Check. A general assumption the sky is falling? Check. Tinfoil hat? Check. Okay, I'm good.