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    • #32
      Originally posted by HowardRoark
      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
      what "entitelments" are you referring to? Social Security? Medicare?
      Yes….prescription drugs too.

      In California, the spouse (gay lover…if not chopped up), is entitled to around 90% of the income their spouse received from Government upon retirement (when they die). There is cottage industry of “sugar daddies” going on. Hot, young gal hooks up with old Government employee. They are set for life.
      I don't know what you are specifically talking about in CA, but it sounds like red meat thrown to social conservatives and an anti-government audience.

      The country has been living beyond its means, and putting it on the tab for the next generation to pay. Our standard of living is artificially high.

      I seriously doubt that the problem is that the gov is spending too much money on entitlements, or to be more specific, that it is feasible to cut entitlements significantly. The problem is government hasn't collected enough revenue.

      Supply siders have argued for years that revenue can be increased by lowering taxes, growing the economy. Somehow that hasn't worked.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
        The problem is government hasn't collected enough revenue.
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        Howard Roark laughed.

        Then cried.
        After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by HowardRoark
          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
          The problem is government hasn't collected enough revenue.
          Howard Roark laughed.

          Then cried.
          After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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          • #35
            dp
            After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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            • #36
              double post
              After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                The problem is government hasn't collected enough revenue.

                Supply siders have argued for years that revenue can be increased by lowering taxes, growing the economy. Somehow that hasn't worked.
                It hasn't worked because spending has increased so much. Bush's tax cuts increased revenues by about 150-200 billion/year, but that's not enough if spending is out of control. Same is true on a state by state case, where about 2/3 of state spending goes to medicare, medicaid, and education, and the increases in those programs outstrip inflation. A lot of that is due to the demographics of an aging population, but a lot is also unrestrained spending.
                "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby

                  I seriously doubt that the problem is that the gov is spending too much money on entitlements, or to be more specific, that it is feasible to cut entitlements significantly. The problem is government hasn't collected enough revenue.

                  Supply siders have argued for years that revenue can be increased by lowering taxes, growing the economy. Somehow that hasn't worked.
                  By gosh, I have complained about that very thing, every year about the middle of April. They just don't collect enough from me, neither the Feds not the state!!!!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by HowardRoark
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    Question: Is health care a responsibility or a right? Your answer is the future of this country.
                    The silver lining of this financial implosion is hopefully that people will start realizing really bad things can happen. Houses made out of cards eventually crash down.

                    All of these Entitlements that our country has (with no money backing them up) are the next storm on the horizon. My answer to your question is that it is a responsibility. As well as virtually everything else; the more people are responsible, the more they have ownership, the sounder it will be.

                    California is a train wreck about to happen. The Entitlements they have on Local and State levels make Obama look like Ayn Rand.
                    When Obama said health care was a right I wish McCain said that everyone felt home ownership is a right and look at the mess we are in right now. There were a few times McCain could've had better answers.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      I don't know what you are specifically talking about in CA, but it sounds like red meat thrown to social conservatives and an anti-government audience.
                      I wish you were right. Just turn on CNBC or Bloomberg during the day. Listen to the nervousness in the voices of California officials when they are interviewed.

                      If this mess has taught us anything, let it teach us that math doesn't lie.
                      After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by HowardRoark
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        I don't know what you are specifically talking about in CA, but it sounds like red meat thrown to social conservatives and an anti-government audience.
                        I wish you were right. Just turn on CNBC or Bloomberg during the day. Listen to the nervousness in the voices of California officials when they are interviewed.

                        If this mess has taught us anything, let it teach us that math doesn't lie.
                        After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                        • #42
                          Conservatives talk a good game, but then when they get in office, the deficeit soars out of sight.

                          They are against taxes. They say government can be reduced. But only the tax cuts ever happen. See Reagan or Bush.

                          When you get down to details, it is not possible to reduce government spending drastically. No republican has ever proposed a large reduction that can actually work. You have military spending, medicare & social security dominating everything.

                          Rather than raise taxes, conservatives just push the burden on the next generation. The whole Iraq War has been paid for on a credit card.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by LL2
                            When Obama said health care was a right I wish McCain said that everyone felt home ownership is a right
                            Health care should be guaranteed to all citizens. Home ownership is a luxury.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                              Conservatives talk a good game, but then when they get in office, the deficeit soars out of sight.
                              A Republican is not always a Conservative.
                              After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                              • #45
                                the libertarian ideal is just a comforting dream. Like communism, or Santa Claus. Brain candy.

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