Obama born elsewhere?

[Partial]

I've heard that many are speculating Obama wasn't born in America since they cannot find any early education records on him, and he won't show a birth certificate.

Any truth to these? I wouldn't be that surprised.

[texaspackerbacker]

They say he was born in Hawaii. I suppose that is true.

Wouldn't it be some October surprise if it turned out he wasn't?

Since it IS a Constitutional requirement, it would certainly seem sure that he'd be forced to present proof before his inauguration. And nobody in his right mind, not even Obama would stay in this long, much less through the election if he really had anything to worry about.

[HowardRoark]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SK7ZGOcOblI/AAAAAAAAAxs/hkDPpTMo6Xc/s1600-h/Berg+v+Obama+Page+1.jpg

[texaspackerbacker]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_R-l1iejogZw/SK7ZGOcOblI/AAAAAAAAAxs/hkDPpTMo6Xc/s1600-h/Berg+v+Obama+Page+1.jpg

That's all very intriguing ........... but I seriously doubt anything comes of it. We can all hope, though.

[MadScientist]

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

There's the real certificate. The claim is bullshit.

It probably came as a response to (invalid) arguments that McCain is not a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama.

[texaspackerbacker]

Howard, do you know when the lawsuit in your post either was or will be adjudicated?

[mraynrand]

Dan Rather has all the relevant documents for Obama and McCain.

[HowardRoark]

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

There's the real certificate. The claim is bullshit.

It probably came as a response to (invalid) arguments that McCain is not a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama.

It was actually a Hillary thing:

Raining on Barack's parade

Barack Obama's presidential campaign has faced so many false rumors about his family history that it has put his birth certificate on the Internet: he was born in Honolulu, nearly two years after Hawaii became a state, making Obama a U.S. citizen by birth.

But that hasn't stopped Montgomery County lawyer Philip J. Berg from challenging Obama's qualifications to be president.

Berg, a Hillary Clinton supporter, announced he's filing a federal lawsuit today, claiming that Obama lost his citizenship when his mother relocated the family to Indonesia when Barack was a boy.

Under the law, however, moving to a foreign country does not negate an American's citizenship.

Berg said that he's acting on his own, not as an agent for the Clinton campaign. Republicans were prepared to file a similar lawsuit after the Democratic convention, he said.

[mraynrand]

Raining on Barack's parade

Barack Obama's presidential campaign has faced so many false rumors about his family history .....

Maybe, there are all these false claims, because he makes most of them himself - like the other night, trying to paint the picture that he grew up a poor black child, which is patently false.

[sooner6600]

Me thinks that the cirtificate of live birth look crooked.

Look at the font; did such a font exist in 1961?

I doubt it; looks like Dan Rather is at it again .........

Note; this is reference to the Geoerge Bush rush job by
the CBS anchor.

Tisk Tisk; such lame beleivers we have in politics.

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Then again we have a Kenyan vs a Panamanian!

Oh good Lord; why such weak candidates for such a high lofty office?

anyone?

Buhler...... Buhler.... Tex?

[hoosier]

Me thinks that the cirtificate of live birth look crooked.

Look at the font; did such a font exist in 1961?

I doubt it; looks like Dan Rather is at it again .........

Note; this is reference to the Geoerge Bush rush job by
the CBS anchor.

Tisk Tisk; such lame beleivers we have in politics.

- - - - - -

Then again we have a Kenyan vs a Panamanian!

Oh good Lord; why such weak candidates for such a high lofty office?

anyone?

Buhler...... Buhler.... Tex?

Nobody is claiming this one was printed in 1961, just that it's his official birth certificate. If you lose the original that was sent to your parents after you were born, you can have a new official (not original) certificate drawn up.

[LL2]

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

There's the real certificate. The claim is bullshit.

It probably came as a response to (invalid) arguments that McCain is not a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama.

Where is the signature from the county clerk? Not sure how it's done in Hawaii but my kids birth certificates are signed by the country clerk and there is a seal on it.

[mraynrand]

The nationality discussion is pretty nutty. But the discussion about Obama's past, and the missing or unreleased records (state senate, college) and missing or questionable accomplishments (Annenberg Board, articles for the law review, content of his Race and the Law tests (available from NYT, if you are interested)) are legitimate topics.

[texaspackerbacker]

Me thinks that the cirtificate of live birth look crooked.

Look at the font; did such a font exist in 1961?

I doubt it; looks like Dan Rather is at it again .........

Note; this is reference to the Geoerge Bush rush job by
the CBS anchor.

Tisk Tisk; such lame beleivers we have in politics.

- - - - - -

Then again we have a Kenyan vs a Panamanian!

Oh good Lord; why such weak candidates for such a high lofty office?

anyone?

Buhler...... Buhler.... Tex?

I was against McCain before I was for him!

The Panamanian issue isn't valid. It is a long established thing that a baby born overseas to an active duty military family deployed there IS eligible to be president.

The Obama situation comes down to the validity of the document. If he really was born in Kenya, he wouldn't be eligible. As I said in the earlier post, though, this is a clear either/or. As little respect as I have for Obama, I doubt even he would let it get this far if he knew damn well his "evdence" of eligibiliity wasn't gonna stand scrutiny or investigation.

The other issue--that he lost his citizenship by his mother taking him with her as she became an expatriate to Indonesia seems even shakier.

I think anybody placing hope in stopping Obama over this eligibility thing is doomed to disappointment. We still do have a little thing called the election, however. It looked bad at this stage of the game for Bush against Gore and Kerry too, and as I have stated, there are factors in the polling that inflate Obama Bin Biden's totals and deflate McCain/Palin's totals.

I have a bad feeling this time around, though. If politics is a game, it just seems like the bad guys are playing the game more effectively than the good guys. And, of course, it's like football where all of the officials except one are unabashedly favoring the other side--and the remaining one is trying way too hard to be fair and balanced. I refer to the media.

[texaspackerbacker]

Me thinks that the cirtificate of live birth look crooked.

Look at the font; did such a font exist in 1961?

I doubt it; looks like Dan Rather is at it again .........

Note; this is reference to the Geoerge Bush rush job by
the CBS anchor.

Tisk Tisk; such lame beleivers we have in politics.

- - - - - -

Then again we have a Kenyan vs a Panamanian!

Oh good Lord; why such weak candidates for such a high lofty office?

anyone?

Buhler...... Buhler.... Tex?

Nobody is claiming this one was printed in 1961, just that it's his official birth certificate. If you lose the original that was sent to your parents after you were born, you can have a new official (not original) certificate drawn up.

Yes but ....... the new one is generally a certified copy of an original that is recorded in a court house--and thus, looks like the original.

I think the more likely thing with Obama is that the original WAS validly made in the U.S. The bigger question is, was the info of the birth valid that the certificate was based on? And even if it's not, how in the hell are you gonna prove otherwise? It sounds like he was born in Kenya, put on a plane with his mother, brought to America and registered. But proving that 40 some years later? Not likely.

It would be rather compelling if his grandmother and other relatives witnessed his birth in Kenya, but fat chance of them testifying against him.