Obama born elsewhere?

[mraynrand]

I have a bad feeling this time around, though. If politics is a game, it just seems like the bad guys are playing the game more effectively than the good guys. And, of course, it's like football where all of the officials except one are unabashedly favoring the other side--and the remaining one is trying way too hard to be fair and balanced. I refer to the media.

It's really about the circumstances. With the financial upheaval, people are basically saying that the free markets are failing us, republicans are the party of free markets, therefore; go democrat. I think fair or not, it's that simple.

[texaspackerbacker]

I have a bad feeling this time around, though. If politics is a game, it just seems like the bad guys are playing the game more effectively than the good guys. And, of course, it's like football where all of the officials except one are unabashedly favoring the other side--and the remaining one is trying way too hard to be fair and balanced. I refer to the media.

It's really about the circumstances. With the financial upheaval, people are basically saying that the free markets are failing us, republicans are the party of free markets, therefore; go democrat. I think fair or not, it's that simple.

Do you really think Americans are that easily swayed away from what got us to our lofty standard of living? Obama is very effectively disguising his anti-free enterprise capitalism stance with class warfare--a very effective tactic, especially in this "crisis"--contrived, as I suspect, or otherwise--when it is so easy to villify the haves. Obama's ads and debate sound bites SOUND better than McCain's--never mind that it is LIES. Tax cuts for 95% of the people; 3 times as many people benefiting than for McCain's cut; That goes uncontradicted by the media and only weakly contradicted by McCain's people.

[mraynrand]

I have a bad feeling this time around, though. If politics is a game, it just seems like the bad guys are playing the game more effectively than the good guys. And, of course, it's like football where all of the officials except one are unabashedly favoring the other side--and the remaining one is trying way too hard to be fair and balanced. I refer to the media.

It's really about the circumstances. With the financial upheaval, people are basically saying that the free markets are failing us, republicans are the party of free markets, therefore; go democrat. I think fair or not, it's that simple.

Do you really think Americans are that easily swayed away from what got us to our lofty standard of living?

Obama is very effectively disguising his anti-free enterprise capitalism stance with class warfare--a very effective tactic, especially in this "crisis"--contrived, as I suspect, or otherwise--when it is so easy to villify the haves. Obama's ads and debate sound bites SOUND better than McCain's--never mind that it is LIES. Tax cuts for 95% of the people; 3 times as many people benefiting than for McCain's cut; That goes uncontradicted by the media and only weakly contradicted by McCain's people.

Yes - enough to give Obama a push. And yes, Obama is being very skillful in hiding his true beliefs. Sure, the press is helping, but it really is Uber-Clinton in it's brazen and effective nature.

[texaspackerbacker]

Aynrand, I know this is gonna stir up trouble with you and Howard and Bobblehead, but I think people who think like you guys contribute to the problem.

How? Well, we've been over this before. It has to do with the nature of free enterprise capitalism, and more specifically, what does and doesn't fall within that system. Think of free enterprise capitalism as the GOLDEN GOOSE that has given us our gloriously high standard of living--the engine that enables small business--which in turn is the force creating jobs and helping the financial situation of everyone--employers and employees.

You have to distinguish between KILLING The Golden Goose and merely USING The Golden Goose. Raising taxes and increasing regulation--blanket regulation that targets the little guys right along with those trying to scam the mortgage markets, etc.. I don't hear much dedication or enthusiasm from you guys--or national figures with similar views--to cutting taxes and maintaining the cuts or to getting the government off our backs. Rather, I hear things, incredibly, like "we have to force people to get health insurance"--THAT'S REGULATION! Why? So the haves won't have rates go up because the have nots are getting their health care through the back door.

The USING that I refer to is spending/injecting money--even deficit-raised money into our economy--which, as I have stated over and over, may offend your sensitivities of fairness, but are basically GOOD in net effect for the economy.

That mindset plays right into the hands of the class warfare trash--like Obama--who are ready and waiting to sell people on their social engineering programs--and doing so with damn effective rhetoric!

It's a matter of priorities. And way too many on the good side lose sight of the priorities even within the realm of the economy--not even getting into the runaway HIGHEST PRIORITY of all, the FACT that electing Obama would leave America wide open to hits by our terrorist enemies.

What would THAT do to our economy? And why in the hell to you 3 wise conservatives de-emphasize this ISSUE # 1 so horribly?

[mraynrand]

Tex,

I think you have me confused with someone else. I didn't say the free enterprise system (insomuch as it is one) is bad. I'm only saying that I think there are those who will see it as at fault in the recent crisis - and Obama and surrogates are playing that card. They are making the connection between free market, republicans, and the current market failures. Look at Ty - he focused a lot on the Gramm deregulations and it seemed to me as though he wanted to lay the blame for most of the crisis at the feet of those moves and Republicans, even though a lot (a lot) of Dems went along with it, and Dems contributed by shitting things up with the mortgages. The mortgages were bad - trying to bundle that shit and hide them in a sweet smelling MBS box made it even worse. McCain and others are pointing at deregulation and failures in oversight as well. (edit: not to mention that McCain tossed in that 300 billion mortgage rescue provision - and the bailout itself - both which could be viewed as anti-free market. Essentially, even though McCain wants to keep the economy from collapsing, he's still on board with non-free market solutions, which helps those that make the argument that the free market doesn't work). Where am I wrong?

Obama has a thin record. His associates, chosen for expediency during his political rise in Chicago, almost all corrupt, anti-American and/or racist, matter. His views, occasionally revealed in unguarded moments should define him (e.g. clinging to guns, religion), and his policies (reduced military with a reactionary stance, increased taxation and spending), are exactly the wrong thing to propose now, and really ever. I just don't think that message is going to resonate when a lot of people are panicky, pointing fingers, with most of the press actively blaming exclusively the repubs.

[sheepshead]

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