Barack wants your money

[SkinBasket]

So he can "spread it around." You know, like butter. That's his "economic plan."

Obama to Plumber: My Plan Will 'Spread the Wealth Around'

FOXNews.com
Monday, October 13, 2008

Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.

Obama made the remark after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked.

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Obama frequently rails against what he calls a Republican concept that tax breaks for the wealthy will somehow "trickle down" to middle-class Americans.

Obama says he will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.

[SkinBasket]

So It's not that he wants to punish people for their success... He's an unwilling socialist.

[LL2]

Re: Barack wants your money

So he can "spread it around." You know, like butter. That's his "economic plan."

Obama to Plumber: My Plan Will 'Spread the Wealth Around'

FOXNews.com
Monday, October 13, 2008


"I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded.

Obama is an idiot. Giving the person behind you a chance at success doesn’t translate into “spreading wealth.” It means the person is going to either replace the person in front or take business away from the person in front.

[HowardRoark]

The saddest part of this is that the majority of his audience has no idea what the term "Socialist" even means.

[Joemailman]

I know what it means:

[hoosier]

The saddest part of this is that the majority of his audience has no idea what the term "Socialist" even means.

Do you know what socialism means, Howie? How do you explain the fact that you (along with the rest of the wing nuts) continually conflate socialism and capitalism?

[HowardRoark]

The saddest part of this is that the majority of his audience has no idea what the term "Socialist" even means.

Do you know what socialism means, Howie? How do you explain the fact that you (along with the rest of the wing nuts) continually conflate socialism and capitalism?

Examples of my nuttiness and conflation please. Much appreciated.

[hoosier]

The saddest part of this is that the majority of his audience has no idea what the term "Socialist" even means.

Do you know what socialism means, Howie? How do you explain the fact that you (along with the rest of the wing nuts) continually conflate socialism and capitalism?

Examples of my nuttiness and conflation please. Much appreciated.

Conflation: you imply that Obama, or any other liberal politician, is espousing socialism. You ignore that what they're really espousing is capitalism with a little more government intervention than you would like. But that doesn't make it socialism. Not even close.

Nuttiness: you attach extreme labels to centrist policies and politicians you disagree with. If the center appears extreme to you, it must be because you're...out there on the wing wid da nuts.

[HowardRoark]

The saddest part of this is that the majority of his audience has no idea what the term "Socialist" even means.

Do you know what socialism means, Howie? How do you explain the fact that you (along with the rest of the wing nuts) continually conflate socialism and capitalism?

Examples of my nuttiness and conflation please. Much appreciated.

Conflation: you imply that Obama, or any other liberal politician, is espousing socialism. You ignore that what they're really espousing is capitalism with a little more government intervention than you would like. But that doesn't make it socialism. Not even close.

Nuttiness: you attach extreme labels to centrist policies and politicians you disagree with. If the center appears extreme to you, it must be because you're...out there on the wing wid da nuts.

I happen to disagree with you. You rarely, if ever, back up your arguments with even a whisper of facts. You seem to reflexively turn to the ad hominem attack.

When he talks about a plumber having to “spread his wealth around a little” in order to help those “behind you can have a chance for success too,” that is not merely a “little more government interventions than I like”…..that is an economic/political philosophy. He knows what he is doing; he is trying to fan the flames of a proletarian revolution. I have never once heard Obama talk about the need for the businessperson, small or big, as an engine of economic prosperity in our society. He always goes right back to his core beliefs that taking from the wealthy and giving to the poor is the preferred model. For what it’s worth, I am OK with the guy having that belief. I just wish he would me more forthright. Although now that he has a lead and the cover of bad economic news, he is letting his true colors come through more. As I said though, it doesn’t matter, because most of his audience doesn’t know the history of Socialism. I think that’s a fair statement on my part. And it’s not meant to be an ad hominem attack

Again, examples of my attaching extreme labels would be appreciated. .

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What is amazing is how the story is reported. No bias in the Fox story.

From ABC:

Do you believe in the American dream?” a local plumber asked.

Obama said he did.

"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” the man said, in comments interpreted by reporters as a reference to the Democrat's proposal to increase income taxes on those making $200,000 or more a year.

Obama recited his now-familiar talking points about 95 percent of the American people would get a tax cut under his plan.

The plumber did not seem convinced.

I highly doubt that Obama didn't answer his question without going into the standard 95%..yet Fox leaves that out.

[HowardRoark]

What is amazing is how the story is reported. No bias in the Fox story.

From ABC:

Do you believe in the American dream?” a local plumber asked.

Obama said he did.

"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” the man said, in comments interpreted by reporters as a reference to the Democrat's proposal to increase income taxes on those making $200,000 or more a year.

Obama recited his now-familiar talking points about 95 percent of the American people would get a tax cut under his plan.

The plumber did not seem convinced.

I highly doubt that Obama didn't answer his question without going into the standard 95%..yet Fox leaves that out.

What's your point Ty? The poor plumber works his ass off to better his life, and Obama beliefs he should now spread some of his rewards to others.
The plumber doesn't like that. Pretty simple.

[hoosier]

The saddest part of this is that the majority of his audience has no idea what the term "Socialist" even means.

Do you know what socialism means, Howie? How do you explain the fact that you (along with the rest of the wing nuts) continually conflate socialism and capitalism?

Examples of my nuttiness and conflation please. Much appreciated.

Conflation: you imply that Obama, or any other liberal politician, is espousing socialism. You ignore that what they're really espousing is capitalism with a little more government intervention than you would like. But that doesn't make it socialism. Not even close.

Nuttiness: you attach extreme labels to centrist policies and politicians you disagree with. If the center appears extreme to you, it must be because you're...out there on the wing wid da nuts.

I happen to disagree with you. You rarely, if ever, back up your arguments with even a whisper of facts. You seem to reflexively turn to the ad hominem attack.

When he talks about a plumber having to “spread his wealth around a little” in order to help those “behind you can have a chance for success too,” that is not merely a “little more government interventions than I like”…..that is an economic/political philosophy. He knows what he is doing; he is trying to fan the flames of a proletarian revolution. I have never once heard Obama talk about the need for the businessperson, small or big, as an engine of economic prosperity in our society. He always goes right back to his core beliefs that taking from the wealthy and giving to the poor is the preferred model. For what it’s worth, I am OK with the guy having that belief. I just wish he would me more forthright. Although now that he has a lead and the cover of bad economic news, he is letting his true colors come through more. As I said though, it doesn’t matter, because most of his audience doesn’t know the history of Socialism. I think that’s a fair statement on my part. And it’s not meant to be an ad homminen attack

Again, examples of my attaching extreme labels would be appreciated. .

Ok, I'll do my best to make the point using a clear example. When Obama speaks of "spreading the wealth" he's alluding to his plan to give tax breaks to those earning less than $250K/year, while those who make more won't receive the same breaks. Call it a more progressive form of capitalism than the brand favored by Bush and McCain. But socialism it is not. Socialism is when the government appropriates the means of production (the factories, etc.), like when Allende seized ITT copper mines in Chile in 1971 or like what Chavez and Morales have threatened to do more recently with US and TNC-owned natural resources in Venezuela and Bolivia. If Obama was a socialist he'd be scheming to seize the plumber's business.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What is amazing is how the story is reported. No bias in the Fox story.

From ABC:

Do you believe in the American dream?” a local plumber asked.

Obama said he did.

"I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream,” the man said, in comments interpreted by reporters as a reference to the Democrat's proposal to increase income taxes on those making $200,000 or more a year.

Obama recited his now-familiar talking points about 95 percent of the American people would get a tax cut under his plan.

The plumber did not seem convinced.

I highly doubt that Obama didn't answer his question without going into the standard 95%..yet Fox leaves that out.

What's your point Ty? The poor plumber works his ass off to better his life, and Obama beliefs he should now spread some of his rewards to others.
The plumber doesn't like that. Pretty simple.

The point is that Obama would reduce his taxes unless he is above 250K.

Obama hardly said "i'm going to tax you and take your money to help others."

The point is that even the paragraph supplied is being twisted.

Lastly, the man didn't seem convinced. What was he not convinced of...that 95% would get the tax cut?

But, what else is new from Fox.

[HowardRoark]

The point is that Obama would reduce his taxes unless he is above 250K.

So where is the incentive? Altruism for fixing leaky faucets?

[hoosier]

The point is that Obama would reduce his taxes unless he is above 250K.

So where is the incentive? Altruism for fixing leaky faucets?

Who is neglecting to include facts now? Hint: exactly what tax structure is Obama proposing for those who make over 250K? Will it mean that every penny earned over 250 goes to the government? That's certainly what you're implying, but is that factual?