"I'm a strong black man"

[texaspackerbacker]

I think reverse racism is a far bigger deal in society today than actual racism. It gives kids the complete wrong message of how life should work.

I can't judge it, because there are so few minorities in Germany, but if you say so, I believe you.

And, it appalls me.

I know whites have done shit in the past that was intolerable. But making me and my son pay for it is equivalent to making me and my son pay for the Nazis gassing 6 million Jews.

I had nothing to do with slavery and nothing to do with concentration camps. Neither did my father or grandfather or great grandfather or any other father.

I am a strong white man.

Not to minimize the Holocaust or anything, but the fact is, there have been significantly WORSE episodes in the last century or so, some still going on.

Stalin supposed murdered 20 million in the same time period that Hitler was murdering 6 million. That information gets suppressed because the media and education establishment tends to idealize Communism--even now after the Cold War has ended--possibly more so now as memories of the bilateral power struggle fade.

Pol Pot in Cambodia; The Hutu genocide of Tutsis; And probably some others that made even less headlines are right up there if not surpassing the Holocaust in total numbers as well as depravity.

All this because poor pathetic Vince Young repeated some line spewed to him by the black racists who try (and usually succeed) to manipulate young black minds in the wrong direction--with the complete blessing and complicity of sick white liberals. Why? To keep that 90%+ down on the liberal plantation, of course.

[Scott Campbell]

Actually hoosier, I was responding to your assertion that white pride is a dirty thing. I countered with my reference to Asian pride. I didn't add any new questions.

If Brando19 is correct in saying that all hell would brake loose if A-Rod said something similar, then our world isn't spinning on the correct axis anymore.

I am not in the slightest bit racist, but I am offended when blacks call eachother the "n" word and I have to use "the "n" word" in a post to avoid being labelled racist.

It's a massive double standard.

I'm not following you here, Tarlam. Is your position that "white pride" should be accepted as a mainstream, legitimate cultural movement because "black pride" movements are considered acceptable? Or are you saying that neither are acceptable?

As for the "n-word" point, do you really think everyone should follow the same social norms in every social situation? Do you speak the same way with your friends as you do with your parents? The same with your children as with your spouse? If you drop an F bomb talking to your friends should your five year old also be entitled to use the same word? If you call a friend a "fag" would it be ok for a stranger to call you the same?

I think your idea about absolute "equality" in choosing how to speak to others is both unrealistic and naive.

I guess it depends on what color my kids are.

[mraynrand]

Way to fuck up the formatting with your freakshow picture mraynrand.

Ooops. I know how to resize images in html, but I don't seem able to do it here. Can someone explain to me how to arrange the [/size] designations to shrink the image?

[HowardRoark]

Can someone explain to me how to arrange the [/size] designations to shrink the image?

Throw it in the ocean off the coast of Oregon.

[Tarlam!]

Hoosier daddy Tarlam?

I doubt it Zool, but thanks for your opinion. If people choose to ignore what I actually say in favour of winning an acedemic debate, then I'm sorry, I don't bow down to that.

Hoosier is cclearly well educated and has class when it comes to making an argument.

He just doesn't get it or want to get it.

[Tarlam!]

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Yes. My position is that every race should be allowed to be proud of itself, provided it doesn't expect some supreme right over other races.

I think the "n" word and my dropping an F bomb in front of my kids comparison is plain silly and you are stretching. And, if you are honest, you'll admit it.

I find you an excellent debater, and I'll be the first to concede, but you'll have to actually address my arguments before I do so.

[mraynrand]

More cut and paste. Source?

Mr. Three at last Three at last, thank God almighty Three at last!!!!!!!!!!

Content of character, not color of skin. If everything were judged in that light, all the rest would fly into the ether. If someone said nigger to joke around or to read Twain, using the word wouldn't matter. If someone used it to denigrate someone else, it would matter. That would be true no matter how much melanin was in the epidermal cells. Using the word 'Fuck' is in no way similar to nigger or to faggot. Again, using fag to denigrate someone would be wrong, but to identify them as homosexual, it shouldn't be a problem. The problem is that self-identified groups want to alter conditions to favor their groups - appropriating words and language that only they are then permitted to use and others have to respect their pre-conditions or be labeled haters. Content of character. Content of character.

[Tarlam!]

Are you quoting or was that your own stuff, Ray?

Friggen' got my attention!

[hoosier]

Yes. My position is that every race should be allowed to be proud of itself, provided it doesn't expect some supreme right over other races.

Fine, I have no problem with that idea as you've stated it. The problem is that there's a subtle but very important difference between my "being proud" of my whiteness and my advocating something that calls itself "white pride." Take a look around the internet or do a google search on "white pride." What you'll find is a lot of toxic stuff. Going back to your original example, if ARod were to say that he's "proud of being white" it would at the very least raise questions about whether he was giving a coded message supporting the racist crap that you'll find in "white pride" movements.

I think the "n" word and my dropping an F bomb in front of my kids comparison is plain silly and you are stretching. And, if you are honest, you'll admit it.

I find you an excellent debater, and I'll be the first to concede, but you'll have to actually address my arguments before I do so.

I'm still trying to figure out where your argument is going. I think I understand you to be arguing against what you see as a double standard (black pride good, white pride bad) while also kind of saying that white pride shouldn't be bad. Is that it?

Here's my take on the n-word: Blacks, like certain other minority groups in this country, find themselves in an inherently unequal relation to the white majority for the following reason: there is no true white equivalent to the word "nigger", no word for whites that carries as much hatred, bloodshed and oppression, for the historical reason that blacks were oppressed in this country for centuries while whites were not--at least not as a social group for the sole reason that they were white. Because being black and being white , as well as the names that go along with those experiences, have very unequal histories, you can't expect a minority group to suddenly "forget" the history of a word that the dominant group used for so long to hold them down. If they can't escape it, their only positive choice is to take ownership of it.

I agree that it will be a good day when blacks no longer refer to each other as "nigga" because that will indicate that we've all managed to put the past to rest. But we're not there yet.

[mraynrand]

Are you quoting or was that your own stuff, Ray?

Friggen' got my attention!

That's mine. Like I said above, I understand where race, class, gender (group) identification comes from historically and operationally, and the seductive nature of wanting to be part of a special group. But the idea of actively propagating and elevating groups, defined only by gender, skin color, sexual orientation, etc. when we KNOW THAT IT IS DESTRUCTIVE, instead of truly leveling the opportunity playing field, disturbs me.

[Tarlam!]

Hoosier, you're an intellectual. I had no idea!

And your grey cells are trying so hard to overlook what this thread is all about. I am NOT an intellectual. I do not deserve being treated as one, so stop doing me the honour and just try and get my message.

I find Vince Young's comments to be offensive, because if anybody ANYBODY Caucasian said "I am a strong WHITE man" there would be a massive public outcry.

That seems to be a fact. I find that atrocious, I am insulted by that and I want it to go away.

If the man had simply said "I am a strong man" this thread isn't even here.

[Tarlam!]

That's mine.(...)

I hang out with some smart dudes. Really smart.

You and hoosier and Howard and ***, you blow me away.


I wish I could think and write like you people!

[mraynrand]

That's mine.(...)

I hang out with some smart dudes. Really smart.

You and hoosier and Howard and ***, you blow me away.


I wish I could think and write like you people!

"You people?" What did you mean by that?

[Tarlam!]

That's mine.(...)

I hang out with some smart dudes. Really smart.

You and hoosier and Howard and ***, you blow me away.


I wish I could think and write like you people!

"You people?" What did you mean by that?

Funny! Big hug!!

[Fosco33]

I did a quick search for 'black pride' using google.

Rather than finding 'black panther' and 'hate whitey' groups - it was almost exclusively lesbian, gay, transgender stuff.

Weird.

If I searched for white pride, I'd need to add more search terms to find white clubs.