Can America get beyond racism?

[texaspackerbacker]

Ok... I will bite.

Which of his views are 'anti-american'.



And how is he 'anti-christian', He IS CHRISTIAN. And even if he was 'anti-christian' what does it matter?

Separation of Church and state anyone?

Obama is not a Christian. I don't care what anyone thinks. Does he share the views of James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Joel Osteen, and others who are prominent Christian leaders in this country? Jeremiah Wright's church is called a Christian church, but his church does not align itself with Christian values. There are gay churches out there that call themselves Christian churches, which is pretty much an oxymoron.

Sarah Palin is more Christian than Obama - she went to an Assembly of God church. My father-in-law is an Assembly of God pastor in Texas so I now a little about that denomination.

So a person can't be a Christian unless they have the same views as James Dobson and Pat Robertson? Guess again. Since you seem to know a lot about Christianity, would you care to tell me when Christ barred gays, or anyone else, from being a Christian?

Gays barred gays from being Christian--unless, of course, they repent of their sins, in which case, they're as welcome as anybody. Trouble is, you'd be hard pressed to find gays that accept the Biblical line about "men lying with men as women" or whatever as labeling their behavior as an abomination.

Funny how it's always the liberals who defend homosexuality and usually the conservatives who oppose it. Why do you suppose that is?

[Scott Campbell]

That was pretty tasteless and unfunny...........

Well for those who didn't notice, that seems to be what Skin was shooting for - tasteless and unfunny. I don't think he was being serious. I'd hardly use it as a barometer for race relations in this country

[mraynrand]

What 'qualifies' you as a Christian can get pretty convoluted by society - whether it be Catholics who are pro-choice, 'pro-war' Christians, sinners who believe, etc. I suggest reading Luke chapter 23, beginning with the 39th verse to get a straightforward idea of what a Christian actually must be, to be a Christian.

I have no idea whether Obama is or is not a true Christian. The way he's affiliated himself with certain churches for political expediency and then abandoned them for the same reason, saying he will not join a church until after the election strikes me as disingenuous and fishy. But that's meaningless. What he believes in his mind is all that matters as far as his soul is concerned, and that's between him and God.

As a politician, all I want to know is how his policies will impact the free practice of religion in the United States, and how his religious views will affect his policies. Based on his actions, I don't see him as being all that good for people of faith.

[retailguy]

I want to see an atheist or someone who is agnostic in office.

Why? In what way would this "improve" society in your view?

[Scott Campbell]

I want to see an atheist or someone who is agnostic in office.

Why? In what way would this "improve" society in your view?

The treasury would save piles of cash not having to print "In God We Trust" on all of our coins.

[mraynrand]

I want to see an atheist or someone who is agnostic in office.

Why? In what way would this "improve" society in your view?

The treasury would save piles of cash not having to print "In God We Trust" on all of our coins.

Printing "In Obama We Trust" is 1/6 more expensive.

[Joemailman]

I think it's inherently impossible to know whether an agnostic could be a good President.

[Zool]

Funny how it's always the liberals who defend homosexuality and usually the conservatives who oppose it. Why do you suppose that is?

Well does opposing it mean tapping your foot in an airport bathroom, or molesting alter boys. I'm confused.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Funny how it's always the liberals who defend homosexuality and usually the conservatives who oppose it. Why do you suppose that is?

I don't know. Prolly the same reason they defend all race, color and creed.

I think conservatives oppose it as a way to hide their true nature: Newt with an affair, Foley with little boys, some guy with a wide stance, Fossela with a child out of wed lock, from cambell's neck of the woods..daniel thompson..arrested for sex acts with a 14 year old and Balfour elected to the Republican State Central Committee in 2007 while awaiting trial on 4 felony accounts, Bob Allen's fear of black people causing him to offer oral to an undercover officer, John Bryan who committed suicide during investigation of molesting three girls, Donald Fleischman, Brown County, Wi... charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child, David Vittner, junior Senator from Louisiana, became one of the few high-profile politicians to be implicated as a client of "D.C. Madam"

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. In August 06, Beres confessed.

Ted Haggard, was fired as pastor of the New Life Church and resigned from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals in November 2006 after a former male prostitute alleged they had a cash-for-sex relationship.

Jeffrey Ray Nielsen, Christian conservative activist and lawyer with close ties to Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and Scott Baugh, head of the Orange County Republican Party, was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.

Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. During an interview with Alan Colmes on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, he admitted to having engaged in sex with a mule at age 11. "When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule," he said. He then credited Jesus with forgiving and cleansing him of his "sin."

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.

Jeff Gannon, partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Should i go on?

[retailguy]

I think it's inherently impossible to know whether an agnostic could be a good President.

Well, that would be my view. I can't wait to hear Arcilite's view.

Ayn, we don't need to print "In Obama We trust". We can just wait thirty months until he rises from the dead as the "anti Christ", then we can keep right on printing "In god We Trust".....(We just have to use a small "g") :P

[Zool]

I think it's inherently impossible to know whether an agnostic could be a good President.

Well, that would be my view. I can't wait to hear Arcilite's view.

Ayn, we don't need to print "In Obama We trust". We can just wait thirty months until he rises from the dead as the "anti Christ", then we can keep right on printing "In god We Trust".....(We just have to use a small "g") :P

Actually the anti-christ will be rising from the desert in the middle east in a few years. Or so some book I read once said.

[Iron Mike]

Actually the anti-christ will be rising from the desert in the middle east in a few years. Or so some book I read once said.

I think the Antichrist is Palestinian.

The latest thing I read was how America went to war in Iraq to find two books which are buried in the desert about good and evil and the two books together give the owner ultimate power.

Either that, or I dreamed it all up after I had a coronary thrombosis burger from Jack In The Box just before I went to bed.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tyrone, the simple fact is that the leftists--from the Dem/lib leadership right on down to the likes of you--are responsible for mainstreaming the abomination of homosexuality and lifting it above similar abominations like pedophilia, bestiality, etc.

This thread has now been co-opted, as so often happens, from the valid original question about America putting racism in our rear view mirror. The answer to that, I say again, is that bad feelings over race will escalate--and very justifiably so--due to the likelihood of Obama winning by a margin less than the 11-13% he gains from blatant black racism--the 90%+ of blacks voting for the black candidate, thereby inflicting the horrors of leftist policies and their consequences on the American people.

The CURE--the way America will most certainly move beyond racism--ironically leaving racism to the sick America-hating leftists--would be for a good conservative black candidate to rise up and be elected--Condoleeza Rice, Michael Steele, etc.

[mraynrand]

The CURE--the way America will most certainly move beyond racism--ironically leaving racism to the sick America-hating leftists--would be for a good conservative black candidate to rise up and be elected--Condoleeza Rice, Michael Steele, etc.

How about Colin Powell???

[mraynrand]

Funny how it's always the liberals who defend homosexuality and usually the conservatives who oppose it. Why do you suppose that is?

I don't know. Prolly the same reason they defend all race, color and creed.

I think conservatives oppose it as a way to hide their true nature: Newt with an affair, Foley with little boys, some guy with a wide stance, Fossela with a child out of wed lock, from cambell's neck of the woods..daniel thompson..arrested for sex acts with a 14 year old and Balfour elected to the Republican State Central Committee in 2007 while awaiting trial on 4 felony accounts, Bob Allen's fear of black people causing him to offer oral to an undercover officer, John Bryan who committed suicide during investigation of molesting three girls, Donald Fleischman, Brown County, Wi... charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child, David Vittner, junior Senator from Louisiana, became one of the few high-profile politicians to be implicated as a client of "D.C. Madam"

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. In August 06, Beres confessed.

Ted Haggard, was fired as pastor of the New Life Church and resigned from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals in November 2006 after a former male prostitute alleged they had a cash-for-sex relationship.

Jeffrey Ray Nielsen, Christian conservative activist and lawyer with close ties to Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and Scott Baugh, head of the Orange County Republican Party, was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.

Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. During an interview with Alan Colmes on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, he admitted to having engaged in sex with a mule at age 11. "When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule," he said. He then credited Jesus with forgiving and cleansing him of his "sin."

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.

Jeff Gannon, partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Should i go on?

I think the pattern you see there is one of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." I am always pretty suspicious of the really loud, in your face, frothing at the mouth sexual prudes. But I think it's moronic to suggest that conservatives in general use it to 'hide their true nature.' That's pretty much a Tyism.