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  • #31
    Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
    Conservatives...please address this point from a Ben Smith blog (the same blog that Drudge linked yesterday to "break" the Khalidi story):

    "I emailed Rahid Khalidi earlier about McCain's suggestion that going to his going-away party was like attending a neo-Nazi event, and he emailed back just now that while he's not talking to the press himself, Harpers writer Scott Horton had today rebutted "a few of the stupider and more outrageous things said about me."

    He referred me to Horton's defense
    http://harpers.org/archive/2008/10/hbc-90003779.

    Horton goes after Khalidi's National Review critics, whom McCain is following, on several specific points -- that he was a PLO spokesman, founder of a Chicago social service group, or Obama child babysitter -- and concludes:

    Rashid Khalidi is an American academic of extraordinary ability and sharp insights. He is also deeply committed to stemming violence in the Middle East, promoting a culture that embraces human rights as a fundamental notion, and building democratic societies. In a sense, Khalidi’s formula for solving the Middle East crisis has not been radically different from George W. Bush’s: both believe in American values and approaches. However, whereas Bush believes these values can be introduced in the wake of bombs and at the barrel of a gun, Khalidi disagrees. He sees education and civic activism as the path to success, and he argues that pervasive military interventionism has historically undermined the Middle East and will continue to do so. Khalidi has also been one of the most articulate critics of the PLO and the Palestinian Authority—calling them repeatedly on their anti-democratic tendencies and their betrayals of their own principles. Khalidi is also a Palestinian American. There is no doubt in my mind that it is solely that last fact that informs McCarthy’s ignorant and malicious rants.
    Of course, Khalidi has been involved in Palestinian causes. McCarthy ought to ask John McCain about that, because McCain and Khalidi appear to have some joint interests, and that fact speaks very well of both of them. Indeed, the McCain–Khalidi connections are more substantial than the phony Obama–Khalidi connections McCarthy gussies up for his article. The Republican party’s congressionally funded international-networking organization, the International Republican Institute–long and ably chaired by John McCain and headed by McCain’s close friend, the capable Lorne Craner–has taken an interest in West Bank matters. IRI funded an ambitious project, called the Palestine Center, that Khalidi helped to support. Khalidi served on the Center’s board of directors. The goal of that project, shared by Khalidi and McCain, was the promotion of civic consciousness and engagement and the development of democratic values in the West Bank. Of course, McCarthy is not interested in looking too closely into the facts, because they would not serve his shrill partisan objectives.

    I have a suggestion for Andy McCarthy and his Hyde Park project. If he really digs down deep enough, he will come up with a Hyde Park figure who stood in constant close contact with Barack Obama and who, unlike Ayers and Khalidi, really did influence Obama’s thinking about law, government, and policy. He is to my way of thinking a genuine radical. His name is Richard Posner, and he appears to be the most frequently and positively cited judge and legal academic in… National Review.
    Excellent!! Then let's see the tape.
    After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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    • #32
      Why? The LA Times described this tape in detail in an article a while ago so it's not like they buried it. They just agreed not to release the tape itself. That was a stipulation of receiving it.

      Or, has your ODS flared to the point that all media are part of a great coverup?

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      • #33


        "The number one issue people should make [in the] selection of the president of the United States is, 'Will this person carry on in the Judeo-Christian principled tradition that has made this nation the greatest experiment in the history of mankind?' " he told Beliefnet last year.

        On Saturday, in arguing for a strong defense of Georgia in its struggles with Russia, McCain twice noted that Georgia is a Christian nation - perhaps to distinguish it from other crumbling pieces of the former Soviet Union that are Muslim, such as Chechnya and Azerbaijan.

        Such comments may pass unnoticed by most American voters and may be reassuring to some religious Christians and Jews. They may even go over well with some secular Americans who are pleased that he is using more inclusive language than some members of the religious right.

        But his repeated invocation of "Judeo-Christian values" is sure to stick in the ears of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of other non-Christian, non-Jewish faiths. And they're sure to be asking themselves: Just what is McCain trying to tell us?"

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        • #34
          Originally posted by HowardRoark
          Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
          Conservatives...please address this point from a Ben Smith blog (the same blog that Drudge linked yesterday to "break" the Khalidi story):

          "I emailed Rahid Khalidi earlier about McCain's suggestion that going to his going-away party was like attending a neo-Nazi event, and he emailed back just now that while he's not talking to the press himself, Harpers writer Scott Horton had today rebutted "a few of the stupider and more outrageous things said about me."

          He referred me to Horton's defense
          http://harpers.org/archive/2008/10/hbc-90003779.

          Horton goes after Khalidi's National Review critics, whom McCain is following, on several specific points -- that he was a PLO spokesman, founder of a Chicago social service group, or Obama child babysitter -- and concludes:

          Rashid Khalidi is an American academic of extraordinary ability and sharp insights. He is also deeply committed to stemming violence in the Middle East, promoting a culture that embraces human rights as a fundamental notion, and building democratic societies. In a sense, Khalidi’s formula for solving the Middle East crisis has not been radically different from George W. Bush’s: both believe in American values and approaches. However, whereas Bush believes these values can be introduced in the wake of bombs and at the barrel of a gun, Khalidi disagrees. He sees education and civic activism as the path to success, and he argues that pervasive military interventionism has historically undermined the Middle East and will continue to do so. Khalidi has also been one of the most articulate critics of the PLO and the Palestinian Authority—calling them repeatedly on their anti-democratic tendencies and their betrayals of their own principles. Khalidi is also a Palestinian American. There is no doubt in my mind that it is solely that last fact that informs McCarthy’s ignorant and malicious rants.
          Of course, Khalidi has been involved in Palestinian causes. McCarthy ought to ask John McCain about that, because McCain and Khalidi appear to have some joint interests, and that fact speaks very well of both of them. Indeed, the McCain–Khalidi connections are more substantial than the phony Obama–Khalidi connections McCarthy gussies up for his article. The Republican party’s congressionally funded international-networking organization, the International Republican Institute–long and ably chaired by John McCain and headed by McCain’s close friend, the capable Lorne Craner–has taken an interest in West Bank matters. IRI funded an ambitious project, called the Palestine Center, that Khalidi helped to support. Khalidi served on the Center’s board of directors. The goal of that project, shared by Khalidi and McCain, was the promotion of civic consciousness and engagement and the development of democratic values in the West Bank. Of course, McCarthy is not interested in looking too closely into the facts, because they would not serve his shrill partisan objectives.

          I have a suggestion for Andy McCarthy and his Hyde Park project. If he really digs down deep enough, he will come up with a Hyde Park figure who stood in constant close contact with Barack Obama and who, unlike Ayers and Khalidi, really did influence Obama’s thinking about law, government, and policy. He is to my way of thinking a genuine radical. His name is Richard Posner, and he appears to be the most frequently and positively cited judge and legal academic in… National Review.
          Excellent!! Then let's see the tape.
          You mean the one about McCain and his Palestinian Center ties?

          There is no tape.
          "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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          • #35
            Originally posted by HowardRoark
            Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
            Obama's RECORD of votes ....
            PRESENT!!!!!!
            I would say it means that the guy didn't want to make a commitment in the form of a vote that might bite him in the ass later--while at the same time, not wanting to be accused of being AWOL on the vote. Do you have a better description, Tyrone?

            No, P.I.P., as you correctly imply, being on the side of goodness, decency, and Biblical truth is NOT a requirement for citizenship--although we'd have a much more pleasnt country if it was. That set of values and beliefs, however, is the clear majority view in America. Thus, having a president who would choose judicial appointees that would affirmatively try to tear down those beliefs and values is distinctly anti-democratic (little d)--although it is very pro-Democratic (big D). It's just another example of leftist elitists disrespecting the solid majority of good normal Americans and trying to inflict a hateful and immoral agenda on us.

            Tyrone, you and this guy, Horton, can try and spin things any way you want to, but you can't get around the fact that this scumbag, Khalidi, supported terrorists, and Obama found his views very praiseworthy, and stated that. As yiou say, we have the ultra-liberal LA Times's article in April exposing that, even though it would be nice to have the tape as visual evidence.

            BTW, I don't think anybody suggested that Khallidi babysat Obama's kids; That would be the terrorist, Ayres, that did that.
            What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by packinpatland

              But his repeated invocation of "Judeo-Christian values" is sure to stick in the ears of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of other non-Christian, non-Jewish faiths. And they're sure to be asking themselves: Just what is McCain trying to tell us?"
              McCain is teling you what you already know - that the United States, because of it's Judeo Christian heritage and values, is the safest place to practice your religion, since freedom of religion and religious tolerance in the United States is a founding principle that is absolutely supported.
              "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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              • #37
                Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
                As yiou say, we have the ultra-liberal LA Times's article in April exposing that, even though it would be nice to have the tape as visual evidence.
                Ziggy says the tape disappeared. I think, for the safety of us all, we just drop it.
                After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  Originally posted by HowardRoark
                  Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                  Conservatives...please address this point from a Ben Smith blog (the same blog that Drudge linked yesterday to "break" the Khalidi story):

                  "I emailed Rahid Khalidi earlier about McCain's suggestion that going to his going-away party was like attending a neo-Nazi event, and he emailed back just now that while he's not talking to the press himself, Harpers writer Scott Horton had today rebutted "a few of the stupider and more outrageous things said about me."

                  He referred me to Horton's defense
                  http://harpers.org/archive/2008/10/hbc-90003779.

                  Horton goes after Khalidi's National Review critics, whom McCain is following, on several specific points -- that he was a PLO spokesman, founder of a Chicago social service group, or Obama child babysitter -- and concludes:

                  Rashid Khalidi is an American academic of extraordinary ability and sharp insights. He is also deeply committed to stemming violence in the Middle East, promoting a culture that embraces human rights as a fundamental notion, and building democratic societies. In a sense, Khalidi’s formula for solving the Middle East crisis has not been radically different from George W. Bush’s: both believe in American values and approaches. However, whereas Bush believes these values can be introduced in the wake of bombs and at the barrel of a gun, Khalidi disagrees. He sees education and civic activism as the path to success, and he argues that pervasive military interventionism has historically undermined the Middle East and will continue to do so. Khalidi has also been one of the most articulate critics of the PLO and the Palestinian Authority—calling them repeatedly on their anti-democratic tendencies and their betrayals of their own principles. Khalidi is also a Palestinian American. There is no doubt in my mind that it is solely that last fact that informs McCarthy’s ignorant and malicious rants.
                  Of course, Khalidi has been involved in Palestinian causes. McCarthy ought to ask John McCain about that, because McCain and Khalidi appear to have some joint interests, and that fact speaks very well of both of them. Indeed, the McCain–Khalidi connections are more substantial than the phony Obama–Khalidi connections McCarthy gussies up for his article. The Republican party’s congressionally funded international-networking organization, the International Republican Institute–long and ably chaired by John McCain and headed by McCain’s close friend, the capable Lorne Craner–has taken an interest in West Bank matters. IRI funded an ambitious project, called the Palestine Center, that Khalidi helped to support. Khalidi served on the Center’s board of directors. The goal of that project, shared by Khalidi and McCain, was the promotion of civic consciousness and engagement and the development of democratic values in the West Bank. Of course, McCarthy is not interested in looking too closely into the facts, because they would not serve his shrill partisan objectives.

                  I have a suggestion for Andy McCarthy and his Hyde Park project. If he really digs down deep enough, he will come up with a Hyde Park figure who stood in constant close contact with Barack Obama and who, unlike Ayers and Khalidi, really did influence Obama’s thinking about law, government, and policy. He is to my way of thinking a genuine radical. His name is Richard Posner, and he appears to be the most frequently and positively cited judge and legal academic in… National Review.
                  Excellent!! Then let's see the tape.
                  You mean the one about McCain and his Palestinian Center ties?

                  There is no tape.
                  Did McCain go to a party at the center and hang around while people accused Israel of genocide?

                  Did Annenberg hang around in Chicago while Ayers and Obama used his cash to radicalize students?
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    Originally posted by packinpatland

                    But his repeated invocation of "Judeo-Christian values" is sure to stick in the ears of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of other non-Christian, non-Jewish faiths. And they're sure to be asking themselves: Just what is McCain trying to tell us?"
                    McCain is teling you what you already know - that the United States, because of it's Judeo Christian heritage and values, is the safest place to practice your religion, since freedom of religion and religious tolerance in the United States is a founding principle that is absolutely supported.
                    But not if you're Muslim........right?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by packinpatland
                      Originally posted by mraynrand
                      Originally posted by packinpatland

                      But his repeated invocation of "Judeo-Christian values" is sure to stick in the ears of Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and people of other non-Christian, non-Jewish faiths. And they're sure to be asking themselves: Just what is McCain trying to tell us?"
                      McCain is teling you what you already know - that the United States, because of it's Judeo Christian heritage and values, is the safest place to practice your religion, since freedom of religion and religious tolerance in the United States is a founding principle that is absolutely supported.
                      But not if you're Muslim........right?
                      Huh? There's 6-7 mosques in the relatively small town that I live in and they arent exactly a target of hate crimes.
                      Originally posted by 3irty1
                      This is museum quality stupidity.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MJZiggy
                        Ok, I'll play. Show me any actual evidence of a lasting political relationship or any quote from Obama that indicates his agreement with the man's position. For all I know they made up any kind of association at all and just named him because they happened to work at the same university.
                        Ziggy, come on. It isnt one guy. Its a pattern. A scary and dangerous one. Starting with his mother, then his step father and continuing, for 40 years. You cannot find people like this in anyones past on the ticket, including Bidens.
                        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                        • #42
                          The fact that Obama was at a going away party with Ayers pretty much confirms that he was palling around with him.
                          "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                          • #43
                            My husband and I were at a recent work related social fuction. At the party there was a man who is a registered sex offender , he's married to one of the admins. Should we have left the party? I wouldn't want anyone to think we condone molestation of small children.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by packinpatland
                              My husband and I were at a recent work related social fuction. At the party there was a man who is a registered sex offender , he's married to one of the admins. Should we have left the party? I wouldn't want anyone to think we condone molestation of small children.
                              I hardly think that your example is a valid comparison. Obama has a history of being associated with questionable people...Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Rezco, etc. Who else is in Obama's closeted past?

                              When someone has a history of being associated with questionable people you don't even begin to question it PIP? I'm curious, because millions give this guy a pass on so many things and buy into spiel.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LL2
                                Originally posted by packinpatland
                                My husband and I were at a recent work related social fuction. At the party there was a man who is a registered sex offender , he's married to one of the admins. Should we have left the party? I wouldn't want anyone to think we condone molestation of small children.
                                I hardly think that your example is a valid comparison. Obama has a history of being associated with questionable people...Ayers, Wright, Khalidi, Rezco, etc. Who else is in Obama's closeted past?

                                When someone has a history of being associated with questionable people you don't even begin to question it PIP? I'm curious, because millions give this guy a pass on so many things and buy into spiel.
                                I question the use of the term 'association'..........or 'paling around'.

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