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    This is very interesting. Many Americans are afraid of the government control that will begin if Obama becomes president. There was a sound bite that was played on the John and Cisco show on Chicago's 560 AM (http://560wind.townhall.com/) of Obama talking about how he believes individual's have the right to own guns but supports legislative restrictions on ownership. I'm paraphrasing, but if you have the time to listen to the second hour of the John and Cisco show you will be able to hear it.

    Gun Sales Thriving In Uncertain Times

    By Fredrick Kunkle
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Monday, October 27, 2008; A01


    Americans have cut back on buying cars, furniture and clothes in a tough economy, but there's one consumer item that's still enjoying healthy sales: guns. Purchases of firearms and ammunition have risen 8 to 10 percent this year, according to state and federal data.

    Several variables drive sales, but many dealers, buyers and experts attribute the increase in part to concerns about the economy and fears that if Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois wins the presidency, he will join with fellow Democrats in Congress to enact new gun controls. Obama has said that he believes in an individual right to bear arms but that he also supports "common-sense safety measures."

    "Even though [Obama] has a lot going for him, he's not very pro-gun," said Paul Pluff, a spokesman for Massachusetts-based Smith & Wesson, which has reported higher sales. Gun enthusiasts are "going to go out and get [firearms] while they still can."

    Gun purchases have also been climbing because of the worsening economy, which fuels fears of crime and civil disorder, industry sources and specialists said.

    "Generally, we know that hard economic times always result in firearm sales," said James M. Purtilo of Silver Spring, who publishes the Tripwire Newsletter.

    Gary Kleck, a researcher at Florida State University's College of Criminology and Criminal Justice whose work was cited in the District's recent Supreme Court gun-control case, said that although there are no scientific studies linking gun sales and economic conditions, people often buy firearms during periods of uncertainty. People often buy weapons because of concerns about personal safety or government actions to limit access to firearms, causing spikes in sales, Kleck said.

    Industry experts and law enforcement officials point to several examples over the years. In 1994, there was a rush to buy guns when President Bill Clinton pushed for a ban on military-style semiautomatic rifles. Handgun sales jumped last year after the massacre at Virginia Tech as some worried about personal protection and others feared sweeping restrictions on handguns, pushing applications for concealed gun permits in Virginia alone up 60 percent. People also rushed to buy guns after the 1992 riots in Los Angeles and the breakdown of order in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

    Bob Leyshion, who visited a gun shop in Manassas recently, said the economic crisis and Obama's lead in the polls were on his mind.

    "People are preparing for catastrophe right now," said Leyshion, 55, of Nokesville. "It's insurance. With the stock market crash and people out of work, and the illegal aliens in this area, the probability of civil disorder is very high."

    Gun owners haven't been especially thrilled about the prospect of Sen. John McCain in the White House. They see the Arizona Republican as less of a threat than Obama, but they are still angry over McCain's support for certain gun-control measures in the past, such as requiring purchasers at gun shows to undergo background checks.

    Gun owners said McCain's moose-hunting running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is far more likely to champion Second Amendment rights.

    "The industry and sportsmen have not been in love with McCain, but the selection of Palin wiped that all away," said Anthony Aeschliman, a spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

    More than three dozen interviews with gun dealers and buyers in Virginia and Maryland and with experts nationwide indicated that the increase in gun sales appears to be driven predominantly by concerns about the presidential election and the economy.

    Gun buyers were more likely to say they were responding to the political situation than to the economy, and all but three people said they feared that Obama would restrict gun rights. Two who indicated that they would support Obama anyway said their concerns about the economy and health care outweighed those about gun rights.

    Most buyers who emphasized the economy said they thought the worsening situation could lead to an increase in crime and jeopardize their safety. A few said they were buying guns as an investment.

    "Look at the political situation and the financial situation," said Fred Russell, owner of Russell's Gun Emporium in Hagerstown, Md. "It's common sense. People are scared."

    Brad, 42, and Margaret Marcus, 47, who were at a Fairfax County shooting range recently with their two children for weekly target practice, said they sped up the purchase of two semiautomatic rifles that had been banned during the Clinton administration because they feared they could become illegal again if Obama wins. The couple, who run an online retailing business from their Ashburn home, said they viewed Obama's remarks about protecting the Second Amendment as campaign trail "pandering."

    "I think right now people are scared Obama is going to take their rights away," said Margaret Marcus, who was carrying a Glock 19 9mm semiautomatic pistol under a blue jean jacket embroidered with "Winnie the Pooh" characters. "He's definitely anti-gun, despite what you see in the mainstream media."

    Law enforcement and industry data and anecdotal reports show that guns are selling well this year. In 2008, there were 8.4 million background checks from Jan. 1 to Sept. 28, compared with 7.7 million in the same period last year, a 9 percent increase, according to the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

    The increase is also notable because it follows a heavy year for gun purchases, which industry officials and experts link to the Virginia Tech shootings in April 2007 and a burgeoning housing market crisis. NICS checks show a 20 percent increase in April 2007, compared with the previous year.

    This year's jump is a continuation of a trend that began in 2006, about the time the housing bubble popped in parts of the nation, and remained steady last year as the political season began to take shape and the housing crisis grew. It is also a bigger jump than the average annual increases of about 5 percent or less typical since instant background checks began in 1998.

    Federal tax data also show that quarterly excise taxes collected on sales of firearms and ammunition have increased about 10 percent this year, compared with last year, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

    Gunmakers see the same trend. "We're ahead of last year," said Pluff, of Smith & Wesson. "There's a few things that drive the market, and one of them is political elections."

    On a recent weekend, a crowd of lookers and buyers milled around in the Virginia Arms Co. in Manassas. Some were shopping for large-capacity magazines, or clips, that attach to firearms and hold additional rounds of ammo. Those were banned during the Clinton administration and became legal again when the ban expired.

    "I'm looking for gun clips because I got the funny feeling that prices are going to rise, or they're going to be banned," said Wayne Heglar, 48, who lives in Aldie and builds custom motorcycles. Heglar said he also planned to stock up on ammo.

    "When the Democrats are in office, it seems like anti-gunners come out of the woodwork," Heglar said. He said he expected Obama to use tax law to restrict gun ownership. "A bullet will be a luxury," he said.

    At Clark Brothers Gun Shop in Warrenton, a sign over the door says: "Experts Agree . . . Gun Control Works!" Underneath are photos of Hitler, Stalin, Fidel Castro and Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi. There are also posters that criticize Obama's record on guns.

    Steve Clark, the shop's owner, said customers have been buying weapons they fear would be restricted and that have been before, such as Colt AR-15s, semiautomatic rifles that go for $1,100.

    "What I hear a lot is fear that Barack will win the election and tax everything to the point that you can't afford anything," said salesman Eugene Proko, 51.

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    How many more times do we need this to happen?



    WESTFIELD, Mass. - An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.

    The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, Police Lt. Lawrence Valliere said. Police identified the child Monday as Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn.

    Christopher was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said. Police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting."

    The boy was taken to Baystate Medical Center where he died.

    The boy's father, Dr. Charles Bizilj, met with the school's crisis team this morning. Two school psychologists are meeting with teachers and students in classrooms and additional counseling will be available during the week.

    Lanza said teachers and administrators who knew Christopher described him as "a super kid."

    "Everybody likes him and he was a good student," he said. "It's absolutely tragic."

    Dr. Bizilj is the medical director of emergency and critical care at Johnson Memorial Hospital in Stafford. He joined the hospital in 1989 as an emergency department physician.

    "The Johnson Memorial Corporation family is deeply saddened and our thoughts and prayers are with the Bizilj family," a hospital spokeswoman said.

    Although the death appears to be an accident, police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.

    District Attorney William Bennett declined to comment until the investigation was complete.

    "We are going to review all the circumstance regarding what happened, who was involved, what authorities they may or may not have had, who was supervising," Bennett said.

    It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.

    Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.

    The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun" and people would be allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets.

    Officials with the private club and the firearms group could not be reached for comment. A message left on a club answering machine was not returned. The C.O.P. group's machine clicked off without taking a message.

    The sportsman's club was founded in 1949 and describes itself on its Web site as an organization that promotes "the interest of legal sport with rod, gun, and bow and arrow, both directly and through training."

    It has eight firing ranges as well as archery and fishing facilities located on 375 acres in Westfield, about 100 miles west of Boston.

    Funeral arrangements are pending.

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    • #3
      nevermind
      "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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      • #4
        Originally posted by packinpatland
        How many more times do we need this to happen?



        WESTFIELD, Mass. - An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.

        The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, Police Lt. Lawrence Valliere said. Police identified the child Monday as Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn.

        Christopher was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said. Police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting."

        The boy was taken to Baystate Medical Center where he died.

        The boy's father, Dr. Charles Bizilj, met with the school's crisis team this morning. Two school psychologists are meeting with teachers and students in classrooms and additional counseling will be available during the week.

        Lanza said teachers and administrators who knew Christopher described him as "a super kid."

        "Everybody likes him and he was a good student," he said. "It's absolutely tragic."

        Dr. Bizilj is the medical director of emergency and critical care at Johnson Memorial Hospital in Stafford. He joined the hospital in 1989 as an emergency department physician.

        "The Johnson Memorial Corporation family is deeply saddened and our thoughts and prayers are with the Bizilj family," a hospital spokeswoman said.

        Although the death appears to be an accident, police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.

        District Attorney William Bennett declined to comment until the investigation was complete.

        "We are going to review all the circumstance regarding what happened, who was involved, what authorities they may or may not have had, who was supervising," Bennett said.

        It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.

        Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.

        The club said on its Web site that the event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, is "all legal and fun" and people would be allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets.

        Officials with the private club and the firearms group could not be reached for comment. A message left on a club answering machine was not returned. The C.O.P. group's machine clicked off without taking a message.

        The sportsman's club was founded in 1949 and describes itself on its Web site as an organization that promotes "the interest of legal sport with rod, gun, and bow and arrow, both directly and through training."

        It has eight firing ranges as well as archery and fishing facilities located on 375 acres in Westfield, about 100 miles west of Boston.

        Funeral arrangements are pending.
        Google the number of murders in Chicago, Barrys district. Entirely run by Dems. That Hudson girls nephew. This is what Barry has planned for us?? swell!
        Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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        • #5
          Perhaps you should ask that question of the NRA.
          An Uzi submachine gun.................come on, show me where any one needs one.

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          • #6
            Sounds a bit like natural selection. What moron would let his 8 year old fire an Uzi? I didn't let my son use mine until he was 15 - and then only to shoot ground squirrels in the yard - or to help in stealing beer from a garage down the block.
            "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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            • #7
              Originally posted by packinpatland
              Perhaps you should ask that question of the NRA.
              An Uzi submachine gun.................come on, show me where any one needs one.
              A toilet... come on show me where any one needs one.
              "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SkinBasket
                Originally posted by packinpatland
                Perhaps you should ask that question of the NRA.
                An Uzi submachine gun.................come on, show me where any one needs one.
                A toilet... come on show me where any one needs one.
                Yeah thats the same fucking thing. Assuming you hit people over the heads with toilets with the intent of "protecting your family".

                Tard.
                Originally posted by 3irty1
                This is museum quality stupidity.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zool
                  Originally posted by SkinBasket
                  Originally posted by packinpatland
                  Perhaps you should ask that question of the NRA.
                  An Uzi submachine gun.................come on, show me where any one needs one.
                  A toilet... come on show me where any one needs one.
                  Yeah thats the same fucking thing. Assuming you hit people over the heads with toilets with the intent of "protecting your family".

                  Tard.
                  The argument isn't about killing people with toilets. The argument is about needing something. I propose we also do away with vehicles. They are very dangerous. And electricity. Refrigerators and fire are on my watch list.
                  "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                  • #10
                    The point being (for our slower witted friend[s]) that if the threshold for eliminating something is that it's dangerous and not necessary, you've got a big job ahead of you being outraged about the continued existence of those things which fit said criteria.
                    "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SkinBasket
                      I propose we also do away with vehicles.
                      Yesterday's news.....

                      After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SkinBasket
                        The point being (for our slower witted friend[s]) that if the threshold for eliminating something is that it's dangerous and not necessary, you've got a big job ahead of you being outraged about the continued existence of those things which fit said criteria.
                        Fuckin A man. I've got 3 ICBM's at my place right now. When the Russians invade a la Red Dawn, I'll be ready.

                        Lets legalize meth too.
                        Originally posted by 3irty1
                        This is museum quality stupidity.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Zool
                          Lets legalize meth too.
                          We can work on that after getting the toilets banned.
                          "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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                          • #14
                            I grew up in a completely different world than the kid in Boston but I was hunting at his age. I had a 22 and would shoot the heads off of spruce grouse in the woods around my house. I was raised by a guy that grew up hunting in Alaska and did the same thing when he was my age. He taught me firearm safety and subsistence hunting "rules"and I respected him and followed those rules. The father of this kid as well as the person who had the Uzi at the firearms shoot are fucking idiots and should have never allowed the kid to shoot the thing. It's easy to loose control of a fully automatic weapon for an adult let alone a 8 year old. Sad story.
                            C.H.U.D.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Freak Out
                              I grew up in a completely different world than the kid in Boston but I was hunting at his age. I had a 22 and would shoot the heads off of spruce grouse in the woods around my house. I was raised by a guy that grew up hunting in Alaska and did the same thing when he was my age. He taught me firearm safety and subsistence hunting "rules"and I respected him and followed those rules. The father of this kid as well as the person who had the Uzi at the firearms shoot are fucking idiots and should have never allowed the kid to shoot the thing. It's easy to loose control of a fully automatic weapon for an adult let alone a 8 year old. Sad story.
                              I agree, and they should be thrown in jail and made an example of, instead of the gun.

                              People like Packinpatland just don't understand that. It is easier to blame a simple piece of machinery than it is to throw the goddamn book at retards that get on the news and cry a river but always failing to mention their own stupidity and lack of judgment.

                              Do I think an UZI or a Tech-9 are important and needed? Hell no, I certainly can't use the thing for hunting, and it isn't like they are supremely accurate enough to use in home protection. They are small arms that provide a shit load of fire power for a short range, but as soon as some liberal passes enough litigation to ban weapons like these I will find myself in the woods with a single shot woodsmen rifle instead of my Browning BAR semi-auto 30-06. Slippery slope, at least thats what all the abortion leftist say, and gosh darn it I believe in that and I believe in the slippery slope effect for guns as well.

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