Proposition 8

[Tarlam!]

Let's talk about why Tarlam!!!!! is so easily offended. I know, it's unpopular to pick on Tarlam!, but inquiring minds really want to know.

Pick on my views all you want! Exchanging our sometimes differing thoughts is why we're here. A lot of times I post utter garbage, but usually that's early morning syndrome.

My main issue is Gay adoption. God, Allah, Nature whomever saw fit that both sexes are required to reproduce. That is a fundamental truth. I don't accept that "All Men Were Created Equal" trumps that card.

Indeed, the same powers that be "created" gays. I am not Adloph Hitler and suggesting we incarcerate them and experiment on their brains. I am merely saying I don't want them rearing children

I know a lot of children get born into homes that are not ideal child rearing environments. That's why we have youth authorities.

My other main issue is publicly flaunted gestures of affection. I am not homophobic per sé. I have the same problem with heteros BTW. I will also admit to feeling very uncomfortable if I was in a sauna with men I knew that are Gay.

I have zero problems with Gay unions otherwise.

One more time for Gun: If a political party, as part of their platform, promises, if elected to pass a law to paint all statues in the country green, then I expect them to do so, if I vote for that party and they win. As such, I am entitled to expect that my opinions are passed into law.

I think Harlan said he finds it wrong for courts to overturn minorities issues that were passed by means of a popular vote. I fully agree. By all means, minorities should be protected from persecution. But that shouldn't mean minority rule.

[Tarlam!]

And for the record, my better half completely disagrees with my views and finds the idea of Gays adopting children oustanding. Just goes to show you I am capable of undyingly loving someone and still fundamentally disagree on some issues.

Her best friend, on the other hand, is fully in line with my thinking. Just goes to show, you might agree with me on something, but that doesn't mean I have to like you!!

[bobblehead]

And for the record, my better half completely disagrees with my views and finds the idea of Gays adopting children oustanding. Just goes to show you I am capable of undyingly loving someone and still fundamentally disagree on some issues.

Her best friend, on the other hand, is fully in line with my thinking. Just goes to show, you might agree with me on something, but that doesn't mean I have to like you!!

I tend to base all of my beliefs off of one rule. My rights end where yours begin. I think a childs right to be raised in the standard setting trumps gays rights to adopt. If anyone on this forum ever sees me contradict this fundamental belief please point it out as I will gladly think my position over and decide if I'm wrong.

[mraynrand]

Did you vote against that amendment?

Again with this?

Blame the libs! They run this state.

I voted for civil unions. I have a hard time disapproving of caring and supportive relationships.

Voting against gay adoption is like voting against the person who takes home a dog from an animal shelter.

[th87]

I think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands...

Please think before you speak.

1. Two men could hold hands regardless of the status of gay marriage.

2. If you have kids, do your job. You can't keep them in a bubble.

3. Marriage is kinda dumb anyway - not sure why gay people would want it.

[Deputy Nutz]

Re: Proposition 8

The gay marriage ban. As of typing this It looks like it will pass.

Ugh, this is absurd.


Why do people think that something other people do that HAS NOTHING TO DEAL WITH THEM AT ALL....is wrong

Why do you need to be involved in something that does not effect you or your interests.

Man, America can be inspiring and troubling at the same time.

well...marriage has a definition, and gay isn't in it. That being said I am all for civil unions to allow gays every right a "traditional" couple has....except where it DOES affect others, like adoption.

Gay people don't have to be married to adopt, great to hear someone speak up on something they know so little about.

[Deputy Nutz]

I think it will be far more troubling when I have to explain to my young children what is wrong with those two men walking down the street holding hands...

Please think before you speak.

Why don't you think before you speak? How do you tie in holding hands and marriage?

Homosexuals outwardly expressing their unnatural nature (genetic defect) is very traumatizing to children. I have a serious problem with it. I have a cousin who is gay. He's a totally great guy. But, I will never take my kids over to his and his partners house until they're older and will understand.

I get that its "expressing who they are" in public, but so what? I'm not expected or allowed to go and yell "F you" in public in front of children for obvious reasons. Same thing imo.

You are a fucking idiot.

I have a response for you, but I really don't think I want to waste it on you. Sometimes you can be a big fucking moron.

[hoosier]

Homosexuals outwardly expressing their unnatural nature (genetic defect) is very traumatizing to children.

AND THEN.....

Would you really feel comfortable explaining to your young 4 year old little girl what homosexuality is, why they're different, why they want to be that way, etc.

You're contradicting yourself, P.

Dude, those are questions the very confused, very disturbed child is asking...

I think you need to spend a bit of time around children before anyone here even thinks about taking seriously your opinion on kids and homosexuality. Most kids I've been around, including my own two children, don't have anything like the "confused, very disturbed" reaction you're describing. My guess is that the confusion and disturbance is your own, and that you're projecting it onto the kids.

[th87]

So what if a gay couple adopted kids? Why is that automatically bad?

Is it the fear that they'd "turn" the kids gay? If so, that's moronic.

[Deputy Nutz]

Funny, I did have a 4 year old daughter and a 1 year old son around a gay couple for two weeks straight. They were nice enough to invite the family down for a wonderful vacation, and shockingly enough not once was my daughter or son traumatized. Not once did her curious mind want to know what a homosexual was. her only question was why the two men lived together, and simply answer was given, because they love each other. She was able to understand that concept. Shocking to wrap your mind around.

but I still think this forum needs to seek out Partial's expertise on raising children and all the pitfalls of homosexuality in relation to small defensless children.

Carry on Partial.

[Deputy Nutz]

And for the record, my better half completely disagrees with my views and finds the idea of Gays adopting children oustanding. Just goes to show you I am capable of undyingly loving someone and still fundamentally disagree on some issues.

Her best friend, on the other hand, is fully in line with my thinking. Just goes to show, you might agree with me on something, but that doesn't mean I have to like you!!

I tend to base all of my beliefs off of one rule. My rights end where yours begin. I think a childs right to be raised in the standard setting trumps gays rights to adopt. If anyone on this forum ever sees me contradict this fundamental belief please point it out as I will gladly think my position over and decide if I'm wrong.

Does a child have the right to grow up in an orphanage without anyone to rain down love?

[texaspackerbacker]

It should also tell us that any sort of liberal "shift" is bunk.

True. When you get down to clear cut issue by issue discussion, the core values and views of good normal Americans are intact--apparently even in California.

The Obamaphilia phenomenon, however, shows exactly how easy it is for leftists wanting to tear down everything that makes America great to get their own trash candidate elected--SIMPLY AVOID THE ISSUES/divert attention with a trumped up bogus economic "crisis"--the whole big con greased by the complicity of the horrendously leftist mainstream media.

As I've been saying all along, THE BAD GUYS PLAYED THE GAME MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN THE GOOD GUYS THIS TIME AROUND. Hopefully, our side will learn, and not let a disaster like this happen again. Hopefully, we will have a country left by that time--not destroyed by terrorist hits, etc. that are the obvious bi-product of elected a charismatically evil shithead like Obama.

For now, this small victory for sanity and normalcy in California is about the only bright spot.

With Obama packing the courts with likeminded (to himself) leftist assholes, it's just a matter of time until the will of sane normal people gets circumvented on the issue of homosexuality too.

Oh yeah, one more thing, I ask AGAIN, why is it exclusively our forum leftists--with unanimity in their ranks--that approve of same sex ass-fucking, of promoting same sex ass-fucking in schools, right down to kindergarten, apparently, and of allowing same sex ass-fuckers to adopt children, presumably raising them with the family value that same sex ass-fucking is OK?

[falco]

Oh yeah, one more thing, I ask AGAIN, why is it exclusively our forum leftists--with unanimity in their ranks--that approve of same sex ass-fucking, of promoting same sex ass-fucking in schools, right down to kindergarten, apparently, and of allowing same sex ass-fuckers to adopt children, presumably raising them with the family value that same sex ass-fucking is OK?

because ass-fucking rocks, why else

[Deputy Nutz]

Oh yeah, one more thing, I ask AGAIN, why is it exclusively our forum leftists--with unanimity in their ranks--that approve of same sex ass-fucking, of promoting same sex ass-fucking in schools, right down to kindergarten, apparently, and of allowing same sex ass-fuckers to adopt children, presumably raising them with the family value that same sex ass-fucking is OK?

because ass-fucking rocks, why else

He must want to get ass fucked. I am sure he wouldn't say no if a nice strapping cowboy came in from the range.

[SkinBasket]

Oh yeah, one more thing, I ask AGAIN, why is it exclusively our forum leftists--with unanimity in their ranks--that approve of same sex ass-fucking, of promoting same sex ass-fucking in schools, right down to kindergarten, apparently, and of allowing same sex ass-fuckers to adopt children, presumably raising them with the family value that same sex ass-fucking is OK?

because ass-fucking rocks, why else

At least he's down with lesbians. It's only the ass fuckers that are evil.