Homosexuality

[th87]

None of the above.

Homosexuality isn't an "alternative." To say so implies that it's a choice. It isn't. All it is is a trait. Like blond hair.

[mraynrand]

None of the above.

Homosexuality isn't an "alternative." To say so implies that it's a choice. It isn't. All it is is a trait. Like blond hair.

As if the discussion couldn't get more trivial. Did you get that off a bumper sticker? Do you have a way of determining whether the homosexuality 'trait' you are talking about is inherent (natural genetic predispostion), due to a genetic error (such as genetic intersexualism), environment (abuse), or simple experimentation (choice: like dying your hair blonde)? Homosexual behavior can result from all of these things as well as others I didn't mention.

[th87]

None of the above.

Homosexuality isn't an "alternative." To say so implies that it's a choice. It isn't. All it is is a trait. Like blond hair.

As if the discussion couldn't get more trivial. Did you get that off a bumper sticker? Do you have a way of determining whether the homosexuality 'trait' you are talking about is inherent (natural genetic predispostion), due to a genetic error (such as genetic intersexualism), environment (abuse), or simple experimentation (choice: like dying your hair blonde)? Homosexual behavior can result from all of these things as well as others I didn't mention.

Yes, simplified some for a simplified poll.

I think there is a certain genetic predisposition. Environment can possibly cause a realization of this.

It's probably akin to our attraction. Let's say I think a woman is hot. I couldn't tell you why. She just is. It wasn't my choice - I innately found her attractive.

I'm guessing it's the same thing with gay people. They couldn't tell you why they're attracted to dudes.

Nobody would choose to live a life of persecution and ridicule, which is why I don't think anyone would choose to be gay.

[SkinBasket]

It's akin to our attraction. Let's say I think a woman is hot. I couldn't tell you why.

Symmetry.

[th87]

It's akin to our attraction. Let's say I think a woman is hot. I couldn't tell you why.

Symmetry.

I've heard that theory. But wouldn't that be more for an aesthetic approval, as if admiring a painting? There are plenty of people out there who think a woman is pretty from an "intellectual" standpoint, but aren't attracted to them at a more "gut level" (or lower).

For example, I could see why Scarlett Johansson and Julia Roberts would be considered pretty. But I personally am not that attracted to them. On the other hand, I'm very attracted to Angelina Jolie, Demi Moore, Megan Fox, and Salma Hayek. Why did I choose them over Scarlett? I have no answer for that.

[SkinBasket]

It's akin to our attraction. Let's say I think a woman is hot. I couldn't tell you why.

Symmetry.

I've heard that theory. But wouldn't that be more for an aesthetic approval, as if admiring a painting? There are plenty of people out there who think a woman is pretty from an "intellectual" standpoint, but aren't attracted to them at a more "gut level" (or lower).

For example, I could see why Scarlett Johansson and Julia Roberts would be considered pretty. But I personally am not that attracted to them. On the other hand, I'm very attracted to Angelina Jolie, Demi Moore, Megan Fox, and Salma Hayek. Why did I choose them over Scarlett? I have no answer for that.

I'm with you on Julia Roberts. I've always thought she's a cow. Demi Moore's nose is too big and she looks like a pathetic rag when she does crying scenes. I don't want anything to do with a person who makes me want to hit them when they cry.

[Tarlam!]

Now we are turning Tex's thread into a virtual hetero beauty contest, when actually the subject is do we or don't we condone rectal intercourse between two consenting male adults.

I know that's a blunt way to phrase it, but ulimately, that's what it's about.

Frankly, I have no issue with it, as long as it's not my rectum!

I was out with a coupla ladies back in 81, or there abouts, in Sydney, Australia. Sydney reputedly has the second largest Gay population behind San Fran in the world.

We were in Taxi driving past the Gay hang outs on a hot summer night and the "boys" were drinking on the sidewalks. The two girls I was with were drooling, because the boys mostly looked like studs. I mean, I wished I was as attractive as 98% of these fellows. Gorgeous SOBs. Muscles. Tans. Everything.

The only comment was "What a waste".

[th87]

Now we are turning Tex's thread into a virtual hetero beauty contest, when actually the subject is do we or don't we condone rectal intercourse between two consenting male adults.

I know that's a blunt way to phrase it, but ulimately, that's what it's about.

Frankly, I have no issue with it, as long as it's not my rectum!

I was out with a coupla ladies back in 81, or there abouts, in Sydney, Australia. Sydney reputedly has the second largest Gay population behind San Fran in the world.

We were in Taxi driving past the Gay hang outs on a hot summer night and the "boys" were drinking on the sidewalks. The two girls I was with were drooling, because the boys mostly looked like studs. I mean, I wished I was as attractive as 98% of these fellows. Gorgeous SOBs. Muscles. Tans. Everything.

The only comment was "What a waste".

Hmm...so what is homosexuality then?

Attraction to dudes? Or sexual intercourse with dudes?

[Tarlam!]

Hmm...so what is homosexuality then?

Attraction to dudes? Or sexual intercourse with dudes?

Actually, Lesbians are homo's too. But I think this thread is concerend with male/male homosexuality. The offending piece being the penis inserted into the male oral tract or rectum.

The speciecies would appear to be homo sapiens,

That's just my take.

[th87]

Hmm...so what is homosexuality then?

Attraction to dudes? Or sexual intercourse with dudes?

Actually, Lesbians are homo's too. But I think this thread is concerend with male/male homosexuality. The offending piece being the penis inserted into the male oral tract or rectum.

The speciecies would appear to be homo sapiens,

That's just my take.

Yeah, I know, but how are you defining homosexuality exactly? Is it just the sexual attraction to one of the same sex? Or is it the actual act of carrying out that sexual attraction, i.e., sexual acts?

[mraynrand]

Nobody would choose to live a life of persecution and ridicule, which is why I don't think anyone would choose to be gay.

Well, then you would be wrong. Many people choose to engage in sex with partners of the same gender due to curiosity, rebellion, etc. But I get your point - some people have no control over who they are attracted to - but they still have to choose their behaviour and lifestyle. It's just not as common and generally socially accepted as heterosexuality and monogamy - yet.

[Tarlam!]

Yeah, I know, but how are you defining homosexuality exactly? Is it just the sexual attraction to one of the same sex? Or is it the actual act of carrying out that sexual attraction, i.e., sexual acts?

The latter, and we like Lesbians around here....

[th87]

Yeah, I know, but how are you defining homosexuality exactly? Is it just the sexual attraction to one of the same sex? Or is it the actual act of carrying out that sexual attraction, i.e., sexual acts?

The latter, and we like Lesbians around here....

So then you're saying that there is something wrong with engaging in the sex that would make them happy?

Then persecuting homosexuality would be akin to someone attempting to curb heterosexual sex. It would be unnatural.

And in the same way, it is unnatural to wish homosexuality away. It's just natural and biological to them.

(But of course, lots of religions attempt to curb natural instinct. No sex before marriage, for example. I guess it comes down to whether one believes in rules.)

[HowardRoark]

Yeah, I know, but how are you defining homosexuality exactly? Is it just the sexual attraction to one of the same sex? Or is it the actual act of carrying out that sexual attraction, i.e., sexual acts?

The latter, and we like Lesbians around here....

So then you're saying that there is something wrong with engaging in the sex that would make them happy?

Then persecuting homosexuality would be akin to someone attempting to curb heterosexual sex. It would be unnatural.

And in the same way, it is unnatural to wish homosexuality away. It's just natural and biological to them.

(But of course, lots of religions attempt to curb natural instinct. No sex before marriage, for example. I guess it comes down to whether one believes in rules.)

What about Jeff Dahmer? His natural instinct was to kill people and eat their organs. Who’s religion/morals did we impose on him?

I am not equating homosexuality with being a psychopath; I am trying to show that humans do have many things that they are born with that society does try to curb. Your argument doesn’t work.

[hoosier]

Yeah, I know, but how are you defining homosexuality exactly? Is it just the sexual attraction to one of the same sex? Or is it the actual act of carrying out that sexual attraction, i.e., sexual acts?

The latter, and we like Lesbians around here....

So then you're saying that there is something wrong with engaging in the sex that would make them happy?

Then persecuting homosexuality would be akin to someone attempting to curb heterosexual sex. It would be unnatural.

And in the same way, it is unnatural to wish homosexuality away. It's just natural and biological to them.

(But of course, lots of religions attempt to curb natural instinct. No sex before marriage, for example. I guess it comes down to whether one believes in rules.)

What about Jeff Dahmer? His natural instinct was to kill people and eat their organs. Who’s religion/morals did we impose on him?

I am not equating homosexuality with being a psychopath; I am trying to show that humans do have many things that they are born with that society does try to curb. Your argument doesn’t work.

In the counter-example you used there is the subtle but important difference that Dahmer's partners didn't consent to becoming meals.