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  • #16
    Obama's Private School Shoppping Goes Public
    By Clarence Page

    Parenting humbles any of us who try it -- even new residents of the White House.

    Choosing a new puppy? Ha! The Obamas face a much tougher public relations dilemma: Are they willing to put their school-aged daughters where daddy's political promises have been?

    The education world is waiting to see whether Sasha, 7, and Malia, 10, will be sent to private school while their father continues to oppose tax-supported programs that offer a similar choice to less-fortunate parents.

    The question of vouchers as an alternative to public schools crosses color lines, but it is particularly appropriate for the nation's first African American president.

    Black students disproportionately find themselves in under-performing schools. In fact, opinion polls by think tanks like the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies have found black parents favor vouchers by larger majorities than white parents do.

    Yet teachers unions lead opposition to such alternatives, even though studies like a 2004 Thomas B. Fordham Institute report find big city public school teachers to be more likely than the general population they serve to have their own children in private schools.

    In Obama's hometown, Chicago, for example, 38.7 percent of public school teachers sent their children to private schools, the Fordham study found, compared to 22.6 percent of the general public.

    In Washington, D.C., 26.8 percent of public school teachers sent their children to private schools, versus 19.8 percent of the public.

    A voucher program Congress imposed on the District in 2004, which granted $7,500 a year for 1,903 students, emerged as an issue in Obama's third televised debate with Sen. John McCain.

    McCain said the District's Schools Chancellor Michelle Rhee supported vouchers. Obama argued that she didn't. Instead, Obama said, she supports publicly funded, privately run charter schools. "I doubled the number of charter schools in Illinois," Obama pointed out, "despite some reservations from teachers unions."

    Actually, McCain was right, inasmuch as Rhee has favored "choice," although she's lukewarm at best on the voucher issue. "I would never, as long as I am in this role, do anything to limit another parent's ability to make a choice for their child," she told the Wall Street Journal this year. "Ever."

    But after the debate, a spokesman said the chancellor, along with Mayor Adrian Fenty, "disagrees with the notion that vouchers are the remedy for repairing the city's school system."

    That's true. No single remedy can fix challenges as complex as those posed by public education. Every child learns differently. But Rhee's defense of "choice" offers the right direction. Any program that expands educational choices also opens opportunities for more kids who don't have enough chances to move up the ladder to a better life -- maybe even to the White House.

    As a parent who reluctantly moved my own child to private school after the fifth grade, I appreciate the value of school choice. But what about the kids left behind in failing schools?

    Michelle Obama offered a clue to what her family's choice will be. She flew to Washington this week (Monday, Nov. 10) ahead of her husband and toured the private Georgetown Day School. Another clue: Their daughters currently attend a private school in Chicago.

    Private school also was the choice of Bill and Hillary Clinton for their daughter Chelsea. The most recent presidential child to attend a District of Columbia public school was President Jimmy Carter's daughter, Amy, in the late 1970s.

    Chancellor Rhee, by contrast, is a 38-year-old single Korean-American mother with two young daughters in her troubled 46,000-student system. With the backing of Mayor Fenty, she has closed 23 schools, restructured 27 others, fired more than 250 teachers and dumped about one-third of the system's principals. Still there's more work to be done.

    She recently put the critical question to a principal who was defending a teacher, according to Washington Post columnist Fred Hiatt: "Would you put your grandchild in that class?"

    "If that's the standard," the principal replied, "we don't have any effective teachers in my school."

    Rhee's response: "That is the standard."

    The public schools belong to all of us, whether we use them or not. We should treat the students as though they belong to all of us, too.
    Page is a Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist specializing in urban issues. He is based in Washington, D.C. E-mail: cptime@aol.com
    Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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    • #17
      Originally posted by hoosier
      1. Hillary Clinton is nothing but a scheming opportunist. She took one real risk in her political life, got burned for it, and decided that from then her way would be whichever way the wind is blowing.

      2. McCain ceased to be a "maverick" back in 2000 and became a tool of the far right. Plus he's dull and repetitive when he's not yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

      3. Blessed be Obama, for Obama is great.

      Just for you!!!

      Enjoy!


      Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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      • #18
        Originally posted by sheepshead
        Originally posted by hoosier
        1. Hillary Clinton is nothing but a scheming opportunist. She took one real risk in her political life, got burned for it, and decided that from then her way would be whichever way the wind is blowing.

        2. McCain ceased to be a "maverick" back in 2000 and became a tool of the far right. Plus he's dull and repetitive when he's not yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

        3. Blessed be Obama, for Obama is great.

        Just for you!!!

        Enjoy!


        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BtJG...poseobama.com/
        That was fun.....but she's no Sarah Silverman.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by packinpatland

          You just can't make sweeping statements like that. How do you know that the Obama children would adjust poorly to a public school? You don't... any more than after 12 years of a public school system, my daughter couldn't adjust to Ivy League.
          'values of hard work and honesty' aren't just pretty ideas, and are not germane to the middle class.
          Your daughter, I presume, wasn't raised in the culture of the wealthy, but was raised to respect the ideals of hard work and honesty. Ivy league colleges are filled with students who made it there by the fruits of their own hard work and perseverance. They are also home to students who pass chemistry class after their parents endow the new science wing.

          Hard work and honesty mean a great deal to me. Honesty means less to a person like Obama who pledges public funding until something better came along. He didn't hold himself to his word because there was no personal benefit in doing so.

          The Obama children are no doubt bright enough to excel in a public school. But public schools are too egalitarian for cultural elites like the Obamas. It's not so much that they couldn't fit in. It's that they wouldn't want to fit in with the common sorts.

          I am led to believe by the contents of all your posts that your family, though you may be well off, is solidly grounded in middle class ideals. If you could write a hundred thousand dollar check and get your daughter past a difficult course would you do it? I'll bet not. You don't seem the type. The Obamas do.
          [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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          • #20
            "I am led to believe by the contents of all your posts that your family, though you may be well off, is solidly grounded in middle class ideals. If you could write a hundred thousand dollar check and get your daughter past a difficult course would you do it? I'll bet not. You don't seem the type. The Obamas do."

            First of all.......thank you. But truth be known, my husband I and did not come from the middle class.........we were a bit south of that.
            Your question. Would I write a check? Yes. I would write that check for additional tutoring, for that softball or field hockey clinic, for a science camp. Whatever it would take to help them have an edge. Would I write a check that was meant as a 'bribe'? No.
            Based on what I've read about the Obamas personal history, I don't think they would either.

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            • #21
              I think Jimmy Carter was a terrible president with a warped ideology,........but at least he was fairly consistent to his ideals. I respected that about him.

              His daughter, Amy Carter, went to public school.

              Security? Apparently, not a problem. There had been two assassination attempts on President Ford's life previous to that point and the Carters did not let that stop them from sending Amy to a school 6 blocks from the White House.

              Having the Obama kids in a Washington, D.C. public school would instill a lot of pride in the teachers and students there which is exactly what the overwhelmingly African-American population needs and which frankly Obama's profile as the nation's first "Black" President can help to inspire.

              The kids are going to get a good education no matter where they go to school. There are apparently several good, public schools in D.C. and they will have access to the best private tutors and extra-curricular programs there are.

              All the presidents talk about education reform, but Obama is in position to actually make an intangible difference which will have lasting effects - he can inspire millions of African-American kids in ways that others never could. That's just a fact.

              He committed himself to a publicly financed campaign and then completely broke that promise (and all campaign fundraising records) by reversing himself. “Change” gave way to the status quo.

              Trillions of dollars has been poured into public education since the first "Great Society" with diminishing returns. If public education is really a priority and is improving through federal government support then it would be very refreshing to see a politician, and in this case, a president, that walks the talk.

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              • #22
                Where would you send your kids, Kiwon?

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                • #23
                  I send mine to parochial schools. I think the best thing we can do for black children in this country is vouchers.

                  Take this thread and replace the words "public schools" with "universal healthcare" and we can have our own little time machine.
                  After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                  • #24
                    First things first. The DC school system is worse than pitiful. It is close to being classified a total failure. Obama is not even in office yet and his girls will be in school before he takes that oath, so to suggest that he should put his daughters there before he's even had a chance to address the issue is a little nuts.

                    Then you have to consider that a school system is on a local level. While Obama can set policy, etc. it is up to the localities to execute. As it stands at the moment, the DC public school system is Mayor Fenty's problem. No president can or should be expected to be up to date on how each city's schools are performing. He can only look at this problem globally, assess the programs that are in place, and go from there. In the meantime, those girls should be someplace like Sidwell and not in our abomination of a school system. Now if they lived in Maryland, this wouldn't be an issue, but you can't beat the free rent for the place he's moving into. Furnished and everything.
                    "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                    • #25
                      In one of her many 'exclusive' interviews recently, Gov. Palin was asked about running again, she replied that if it was were good for her family, her state and the nation......
                      She put her family first. As she should.
                      The Carters were wrong.
                      The Obamas are parents first, they need to do the right, and the best thing for their daughters.

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                      • #26
                        I read a story about Michelle Obama recently in which she said that she will not try to take on an advisory or policy-shaping roll. She referred to herself as "First Mom." I kinda liked that.
                        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by packinpatland
                          Where would you send your kids, Kiwon?


                          If Kiwon were President Barack Obama, an historic figure in American history that will always be remembered, I would enroll my kids in a Washington D.C. public school and do more for the image of public school education in general, and the development of a positive reinforcement for education within the Black community, in particular, then has ever been done before.

                          Obama has a special opportunity here to lead by example and help lift the Black Community to embrace the goal of getting a good education as necessary and a positive thing.

                          50% of Black kids drop out of high school. 70% of Black children are born out of wedlock. 30% of Black males are in prison, awaiting trial or on parole.

                          The negative peer pressure is enormous - getting an education is "a white thing to do."

                          This is an area where Obama really can make a difference because African-Americans identify with him and are inspired by him.

                          Yeah, I'd send my kids to public school and do more for public education than has been done in years and years.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kiwon
                            Originally posted by packinpatland
                            Where would you send your kids, Kiwon?


                            If Kiwon were President Barack Obama, an historic figure in American history that will always be remembered, I would enroll my kids in a Washington D.C. public school and do more for the image of public school education in general, and the development of a positive reinforcement for education within the Black community, in particular, then has ever been done before.

                            Obama has a special opportunity here to lead by example and help lift the Black Community to embrace the goal of getting a good education as necessary and a positive thing.

                            50% of Black kids drop out of high school. 70% of Black children are born out of wedlock. 30% of Black males are in prison, awaiting trial or on parole.

                            The negative peer pressure is enormous - getting an education is "a white thing to do."

                            This is an area where Obama really can make a difference because African-Americans identify with him and are inspired by him.

                            Yeah, I'd send my kids to public school and do more for public education than has been done in years and years.
                            What a crock. Hopefully, Mrs. Kiwon would have better sense. Thankfully, we'll never find out.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by hoosier
                              1. Hillary Clinton is nothing but a scheming opportunist. She took one real risk in her political life, got burned for it, and decided that from then her way would be whichever way the wind is blowing.

                              2. McCain ceased to be a "maverick" back in 2000 and became a tool of the far right. Plus he's dull and repetitive when he's not yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

                              3. Blessed be Obama, for Obama is great.
                              Point 1: agreed. Billary would've sold just about any family member up the river to get to the Oval Office.
                              Point 2: McCain was a hawk in defense, but his campaign finance reform, immigration reform stances are nothing but a Democrat-light stance.
                              Point 3: where's my barf bag when I need it.
                              -digital dean

                              No "TROLLS" allowed!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by hoosier
                                1. Hillary Clinton is nothing but a scheming opportunist. She took one real risk in her political life, got burned for it, and decided that from then her way would be whichever way the wind is blowing.

                                2. McCain ceased to be a "maverick" back in 2000 and became a tool of the far right. Plus he's dull and repetitive when he's not yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

                                3. Blessed be Obama, for Obama is great.
                                The funny thing is, there is no way to know if you are speakiing tongue-in-cheek.

                                It is impossible to parody Obama supporters, they are already in self-parody.

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