Legal case: Parents want former porn star fired

[bobblehead]

Take this job and shove it!.....and let's film it and distribute it on DVD.

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Ex-Porn Star Quits School Cafeteria Job After Uproar

Saturday , December 13, 2008

A porn star-turned-elementary school cafeteria worker and playground monitor resigned from her position this week after causing a legal uproar in a New Jersey school district, MyFOXPhilly reported.

Tuck's past as Crystal Gunns, an adult entertainer with a big Internet following, came to light in November and sparked a national debate about her job with the school.

She submitted a one-sentence resignation to her Vineland, N.J., employer saying she was leaving "in good standing." The letter did not indicate why she was quitting, MyFOXPhilly reported.

When Tuck's past was revealed in November some parents in the school district, as well as the board of education president, wanted her fired, but district officials were advised by their lawyers and those from the New Jersey School Board Association they had no legal grounds to terminate the 32-year-old from her $5,772-a-year part-time job.

At the time, Vineland School District Superintendent Charles Ottinger released a statement saying, "It's one thing if it's an illegal activity, because that would come up in the check. There is no way for us to know if a person is involved in these types of activities."

As Crystal Gunns, Tuck was a cover model for Score Magazine, made an appearance on the "Jenny Jones Show" and appeared in at least three adult movies.

"If this is about morality, our president-elect has admitted to doing crack, and he's our president. Does that make him a bad person?" Tuck said in November, referring to one of Barack Obama's books, in which he admits trying cocaine. "Bill Clinton smoked pot. Does that make him a bad person?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,466684,00.html

This porn actress deserves a second shot, a third shot...a money shot..like the rest of us. I could imagine the resistance from a school board if this was in Iowa, or Kansas. But am I correct that the fucking NEW JERSEY SCHOOL BOARD wants to can this woman?

Where do they get the balls?

It's fuckin' New Jersey! The health board might wanna stop looking at a worker if she's doing her job properly and concentrate on the rats in the walk-in cooler lettin' loose on the lettuce like it's a Motel 6 mattress. Sorry for the visual....but Jesus Christ!

I think Jersey has a heavy muslim population and in the spirit of the other thread, muslims are very intolerant of things like porn. Not sure why, porn is one of the great things that got more popular since the internet boom.

[oregonpackfan]

What a bunch of fucking puritans. They have no right to call for her dismissal.

Hmm....Didn't Jesus Christ display compassion compassion and forgiveness towards Mary Magdalene, a former prostitute?

I seem to recall another line from the Bible "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"

[MateoInMex]

Take this job and shove it!.....and let's film it and distribute it on DVD.

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Ex-Porn Star Quits School Cafeteria Job After Uproar

Saturday , December 13, 2008

A porn star-turned-elementary school cafeteria worker and playground monitor resigned from her position this week after causing a legal uproar in a New Jersey school district, MyFOXPhilly reported.

Tuck's past as Crystal Gunns, an adult entertainer with a big Internet following, came to light in November and sparked a national debate about her job with the school.

She submitted a one-sentence resignation to her Vineland, N.J., employer saying she was leaving "in good standing." The letter did not indicate why she was quitting, MyFOXPhilly reported.

When Tuck's past was revealed in November some parents in the school district, as well as the board of education president, wanted her fired, but district officials were advised by their lawyers and those from the New Jersey School Board Association they had no legal grounds to terminate the 32-year-old from her $5,772-a-year part-time job.

At the time, Vineland School District Superintendent Charles Ottinger released a statement saying, "It's one thing if it's an illegal activity, because that would come up in the check. There is no way for us to know if a person is involved in these types of activities."

As Crystal Gunns, Tuck was a cover model for Score Magazine, made an appearance on the "Jenny Jones Show" and appeared in at least three adult movies.

"If this is about morality, our president-elect has admitted to doing crack, and he's our president. Does that make him a bad person?" Tuck said in November, referring to one of Barack Obama's books, in which he admits trying cocaine. "Bill Clinton smoked pot. Does that make him a bad person?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,466684,00.html

This porn actress deserves a second shot, a third shot...a money shot..like the rest of us. I could imagine the resistance from a school board if this was in Iowa, or Kansas. But am I correct that the fucking NEW JERSEY SCHOOL BOARD wants to can this woman?

Where do they get the balls?

It's fuckin' New Jersey! The health board might wanna stop looking at a worker if she's doing her job properly and concentrate on the rats in the walk-in cooler lettin' loose on the lettuce like it's a Motel 6 mattress. Sorry for the visual....but Jesus Christ!

I think Jersey has a heavy muslim population and in the spirit of the other thread, muslims are very intolerant of things like porn. Not sure why, porn is one of the great things that got more popular since the internet boom.

Well Said.

[Kiwon]

Hmm....Didn't Jesus Christ display compassion compassion and forgiveness towards Mary Magdalene, a former prostitute?

I seem to recall another line from the Bible "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?"

OPF, seriously, you are going to try to use the Bible to complain that people are acting, in your view, as non-Christians?
Double

#1. Mary Magdalene - The Bible says nothing after prostitution. It identifies her in Luke 8:2 and Mark 16:9 as a lady from whom Jesus cast out seven demons.

#2. Guess what? The compassionate and loving Jesus that saved this unnamed woman's life when she could have been legally stoned to death had one final word for her, "...From now on sin no more." (John 8:11).

It is written as a command. In other words, He's telling her "STOP SINNING!" The implication is that Jesus had forgiven her in this instance (where every indication is that she was guilty), but in the future He will correctly condemn her as her judge if she doesn't change her life.

Liberals love to quote Jesus' words, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" but they somehow miss the final sentence, "From now on sin no more."

The lady was guilty, start to finish. The focus of the story is the unwarranted loving compassion of Jesus who spared her life, forgave her, and gave her a second chance.

Bottom line: The former porn actress, Louisa Tuck (aka Crystal Gunns), quit. Granted, she was under pressure, but she made the decision to quit.

She quit a part-time, $5,800 a year job as an elementary school cafeteria worker and playground monitor. Big whoop.

Parents had the right to express concern about her character and the influence she might have on their kids and she had the right to defend her past line of work as innocuous. Obviously, the sides disagree.

I suspect, however, that if this were a former male porn star who volunteers at the YMCA and worked at an elementary school that the XXXing non-judgmental types would not be so unforgiving toward the parents.

[Joemailman]

Liberals love to quote Jesus' words, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" but they somehow miss the final sentence, "From now on sin no more."

The lady was guilty, start to finish. The focus of the story is the unwarranted loving compassion of Jesus who spared her life, forgave her, and gave her a second chance.

The story says she has not worked in the porn industry for 5 years, which seems to suggest she has decided to "sin no more". Is there some reason why she is less deserving of a second chance than the prostitute spared by Jesus?

[oregonpackfan]

Kiwon,
Many theologians do think Mary Magdalene was a "loose" women who gave sexual favors for money. Call that activity what you will.

My point about not being able to cast the "first stone" is that all of us are not qualified to judge others. We all have our faults and/or past sins.

Here was a woman who had "sinned" but was now trying to earn an honest living just working as a cafeteria server. Because of her past, a few people had the self-righteous gall to force her to quit.

You state she resigned of her own accord. Baloney! She was pressured to quit.

Evangelical Christians like to use the standard "What would Jesus do?" If Jesus were on that School Board of a parent of a child at that school do you really think he would have lobbied for the dismissal of that woman?

IMO, the Jesus of today would have forgiven her, and welcomed her as a support staff member of the school.

[Kiwon]

Liberals love to quote Jesus' words, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" but they somehow miss the final sentence, "From now on sin no more."

The lady was guilty, start to finish. The focus of the story is the unwarranted loving compassion of Jesus who spared her life, forgave her, and gave her a second chance.

The story says she has not worked in the porn industry for 5 years, which seems to suggest she has decided to "sin no more". Is there some reason why she is less deserving of a second chance than the prostitute spared by Jesus?

You are comparing apples with two very large melons.

The article also quotes her, "If this is about morality, our president-elect has admitted to doing crack, and he's our president. Does that make him a bad person?" Tuck said, referring to one of Barack Obama's books, in which he admits trying cocaine. "Bill Clinton smoked pot. Does that make him a bad person?"

Reciting the "sins" of others to minimize your own doesn't sound like a repentant person to me.

Why'd she quit porn (if she has)? I don't know. Maybe her back hurt.

Again, the parents had every right to be concerned. Her work is still available for anyone with a computer to see, including the kids she supervises. You don't think it would be a distraction to have her employed now that everyone knows her past? If she were at my school years ago, she would have been worshiped by the kids, and not for her brains. :P

You can't imagine some smart-alecky kids harassing her, "Hey, Ms. Tuck (rhymes with...), what's the biggest ______ you ever tried? Was girl-on-girl weird the first time you did it?" "Wow, Troy, you've got the coolest lunchroom lady ever!! Can you get her to sign this photo I downloaded and printed?"

PLEASE.... given all the sexual deviants trolling around schools you can hardly find fault with the parents.

HOWEVER, she quit on her own. The school did not have legal grounds to fire her no matter what the parents said. The question is mute now.

I bet however that with the notoriety she has received that she will be making much more than $5,800 a year very soon, if you get my drift.

[Kiwon]

Kiwon,
Many theologians do think Mary Magdalene was a "loose" women who gave sexual favors for money. Call that activity what you will.

Theologians can have whatever opinion they want. The text, however, doesn't say this.

My point about not being able to cast the "first stone" is that all of us are not qualified to judge others. We all have our faults and/or past sins.

I got your general point, everybody makes it. However, the biblical word, "judge" and the English word are vastly different. The Bible has loads to say about judgment (condemnation, punishment) and, at that level, it is God's responsibility.

But people make "judgments" every day, including who should be hired and who should be fired. The N.J. parents are not wrong to be concerned about who has access to their kids.

Here was a woman who had "sinned" but was now trying to earn an honest living just working as a cafeteria server. Because of her past, a few people had the self-righteous gall to force her to quit.

You state she resigned of her own accord. Baloney! She was pressured to quit.

#1 - You're guessing about the facts of her resignation. #2 - No one could force her make any decision. It was her choice. Legally, she was safe.

Evangelical Christians like to use the standard "What would Jesus do?" If Jesus were on that School Board of a parent of a child at that school do you really think he would have lobbied for the dismissal of that woman?

IMO, the Jesus of today would have forgiven her, and welcomed her as a support staff member of the school.

Actually, WWJD, is more of a liberal Christian standard. It's conveniently subjective enough to justify anything. How can you be so certain of what "the Jesus of today" would decide?

Evangelical Christians prefer the Bible. The account in John 8:7 you referenced is history. But, people take Jesus' words and selectively apply them when they want to make a point against upholding standards or when attempting to assert that Christians are hypocrites for wanting to.

Your "Jesus on the school board" is a fictional Jesus, a silly putty creation of your own mind. It's fun to play with, but ultimately not very useful. Evangelical Christians will stick with a living, historical Jesus found in the Bible whose standards and principles do not change.

Your "Jesus of today" is an interesting phrase. I guess you think that the "Jesus of yesterday" would have different values? ..the same values?

I think that Hebrews 13:8 has it right, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

[MJZiggy]

Liberals love to quote Jesus' words, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" but they somehow miss the final sentence, "From now on sin no more."

The lady was guilty, start to finish. The focus of the story is the unwarranted loving compassion of Jesus who spared her life, forgave her, and gave her a second chance.

The story says she has not worked in the porn industry for 5 years, which seems to suggest she has decided to "sin no more". Is there some reason why she is less deserving of a second chance than the prostitute spared by Jesus?

You are comparing apples with two very large melons.

The article also quotes her, "If this is about morality, our president-elect has admitted to doing crack, and he's our president. Does that make him a bad person?" Tuck said, referring to one of Barack Obama's books, in which he admits trying cocaine. "Bill Clinton smoked pot. Does that make him a bad person?"

Reciting the "sins" of others to minimize your own doesn't sound like a repentant person to me.

Why'd she quit porn (if she has)? I don't know. Maybe her back hurt.

Again, the parents had every right to be concerned. Her work is still available for anyone with a computer to see, including the kids she supervises. You don't think it would be a distraction to have her employed now that everyone knows her past? If she were at my school years ago, she would have been worshiped by the kids, and not for her brains. :P

You can't imagine some smart-alecky kids harassing her, "Hey, Ms. Tuck (rhymes with...), what's the biggest ______ you ever tried? Was girl-on-girl weird the first time you did it?" "Wow, Troy, you've got the coolest lunchroom lady ever!! Can you get her to sign this photo I downloaded and printed?"

PLEASE.... given all the sexual deviants trolling around schools you can hardly find fault with the parents.

HOWEVER, she quit on her own. The school did not have legal grounds to fire her no matter what the parents said. The question is mute now.

I bet however that with the notoriety she has received that she will be making much more than $5,800 a year very soon, if you get my drift.

Kiwon, she worked in an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. If her 8-year-old charges are surfing porn, there's something seriously wrong.

[Kiwon]

Liberals love to quote Jesus' words, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" but they somehow miss the final sentence, "From now on sin no more."

The lady was guilty, start to finish. The focus of the story is the unwarranted loving compassion of Jesus who spared her life, forgave her, and gave her a second chance.

The story says she has not worked in the porn industry for 5 years, which seems to suggest she has decided to "sin no more". Is there some reason why she is less deserving of a second chance than the prostitute spared by Jesus?

You are comparing apples with two very large melons.

The article also quotes her, "If this is about morality, our president-elect has admitted to doing crack, and he's our president. Does that make him a bad person?" Tuck said, referring to one of Barack Obama's books, in which he admits trying cocaine. "Bill Clinton smoked pot. Does that make him a bad person?"

Reciting the "sins" of others to minimize your own doesn't sound like a repentant person to me.

Why'd she quit porn (if she has)? I don't know. Maybe her back hurt.

Again, the parents had every right to be concerned. Her work is still available for anyone with a computer to see, including the kids she supervises. You don't think it would be a distraction to have her employed now that everyone knows her past? If she were at my school years ago, she would have been worshiped by the kids, and not for her brains. :P

You can't imagine some smart-alecky kids harassing her, "Hey, Ms. Tuck (rhymes with...), what's the biggest ______ you ever tried? Was girl-on-girl weird the first time you did it?" "Wow, Troy, you've got the coolest lunchroom lady ever!! Can you get her to sign this photo I downloaded and printed?"

PLEASE.... given all the sexual deviants trolling around schools you can hardly find fault with the parents.

HOWEVER, she quit on her own. The school did not have legal grounds to fire her no matter what the parents said. The question is mute now.

I bet however that with the notoriety she has received that she will be making much more than $5,800 a year very soon, if you get my drift.

Kiwon, she worked in an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. If her 8-year-old charges are surfing porn, there's something seriously wrong.

Agreed, but isn't it more than 8 year-olds that go to elementary school?

Not grades 1-6, ages 6-12?

I would venture that many 6th grade boys already have their favorite porn sites already staked out. Boys and girls mature very fast these days, not all in positive ways.

[MJZiggy]

No, your ages are off. These days it's mostly K-5 which is 5-11. I have yet to meet the 11 year old that's hit puberty. I suppose that's why they moved the 6th graders to middle school.