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    Take the quiz......

    An annual National Civic Literacy survey and report to learn to what extent higher education is teaching America's history.


    What's past is prologue, so read up

    BY CAL THOMAS

    November 21, 2008

    While Congress spends like the proverbial drunken sailor to "bail out" various industries for practices that are largely their fault and the fault of those in Congress who were supposed to provide oversight, another deficit looms that is at least as troubling as the economic one.

    For the third straight year, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute has found that a large number of Americans cannot pass a basic 33-question civic literacy test on their country's history and institutions. The multiple-choice questions ask about the inalienable rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness), the name of Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1933 series of government programs (The New Deal) and the three branches of government (executive, legislative, judicial). No, I didn't peek at the answers. I received a good education.

    The random sample of 2,508 American adults, ranging from those without high school diplomas to people with advanced degrees, revealed a minimal difference in civic literacy between the uneducated and the highly educated. Fifty-six percent of those surveyed could identify Paula Abdul as one of the judges on "American Idol," but only 21 percent were able to recognize a phrase from Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. I had to memorize that speech in high school. What are they memorizing now?

    Not much of any use, it appears. Ignorance of America's history and heritage is a setup for politicians and others who want to manipulate us into a way of thinking that allows them to make decisions that are unconstitutional and unwise. Knowledge of the past prepares us for a future based on unchanging principles. That's why knowledge matters and ignorance threatens our way of life even more than terrorism.

    Civic illiteracy in the United States crosses all educational lines, including Harvard, where seniors scored 69.56 on the test, or a D-plus. And they were the best. The survey found that up to three-fourths of Americans believe teaching America's heritage is fundamental to a good education and to producing good citizens. So why is it not being done?

    Part of it, I think, has to do with the continued embarrassment by the liberal education establishment over America and what it means to be an American. From their guilt about prosperity and our freedoms, to their opposition to "dead white males," college professors, especially since the '60s, have favored the trendy and quaint over the established and proven.

    Remarkably, a college degree does not increase civic knowledge. According to the report, "The average score among those who ended their formal education with a bachelor's degree is 57 percent, or an 'F.' That is only 13 percentage points higher than the average score among those who ended their formal education with a high school diploma. Only 24 percent know that the First Amendment prohibits establishing an official religion for the United States."

    That's pretty basic information, isn't it? One might expect the Bill of Rights to be part of any class on government, even as early as elementary school.

    Other findings: "Elected officials score lower than the general public," which tells us all we need to know about Washington. "Television - including TV news - Dumbs America Down," says ISI. In the midst of important hearings in Washington on the economy and a possible bailout for the big three automakers, one cable channel carried a story about a 44-year-old stripper who is suing for age discrimination.

    ISI calls on everyone involved in education, including parents, to re-evaluate curricula and standards of accountability and to emphasize to students the fundamentals about our country. It notes Thomas Jefferson's admonition: "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free ... it expects what never was and never will be."

    Read the report at isi.org and weep. And then demand of yourself and others that something be done to fix the intellectual deficit.
    After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

  • #2
    Television, the drug of a Nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation.

    I thought someone posted the link to that not that long ago?
    C.H.U.D.

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    • #3
      I got 26 out of 33.

      NOt as good as I hoped.


      Question #6 - D. establishing an official religion for the United States
      Question #7 - D. Gettysburg Address
      Question #8 - C. appoint additional Supreme Court justices who shared his views
      Question #9 - A. Make treaties
      Question #13 - E. certain permanent moral and political truths are accessible to human reason
      Question #14 - B. stressed the sinfulness of all humanity
      Question #15 - E. Thomas Jefferson’s letters

      Were the ones I missed.
      I am better looking than you.

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      • #4
        I think there are a lot of people who care about education, and a lot of people who are trying very hard. I really don't think the problem is indifference.

        If you think we are doing poorly in education, you have to look around the world and look at who is doing a better job, at least in some senses. How? Why? are they succeeding.

        Recognizing a problem is good, but really just the easy step, the self-satisfying bitching phase.

        The only opinion I dare offer is that kids who can't perform should be given failing grades and not passed along. Maybe we can agree with that premise. ACting on this point of agreement would cause a gigantic shit storm, but at least it would be a start of dealing with the crisis.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Freak Out
          Television, the drug of a Nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation.
          ya, maybe TV is a bad thing overall. But you had TV in your house when you were growing up, and you are not a moron. why?

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          • #6
            87.88%

            And Harlan, it's not about education per se. It's about not knowing what our country is.
            After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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            • #7
              I missed one... but would argue it - #30

              I would argue decrease taxes, and decrease spending - then again, I am a Libertarian, so instinct got me on that one

              Anybody else see that piece O'Reilly did on Obama voters being dolts - backed up by a Zogby poll no less??? Not sure on the particulars, and I think he said it's on utube, but some guy interviewed 500+ Obama voters... wow, flaming idiots would be an understatement, lol

              If any of you wonders why our founders feared democracy, just watch these geniuses. Unfortunately, there are more of them, than there are informed citizens.
              wist

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HowardRoark
                87.88%

                And Harlan, it's not about education per se. It's about not knowing what our country is.
                knowing what our country is, or agreeing upon what our country is?
                What are you talking about?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                  Originally posted by HowardRoark
                  87.88%

                  And Harlan, it's not about education per se. It's about not knowing what our country is.
                  knowing what our country is, or agreeing upon what our country is?
                  What are you talking about?
                  Knowing.
                  After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                  • #10
                    30 out of 33 - 90.91%
                    Missed questions 10, 27 and 30.
                    "What's one more torpedo in a sinking ship?"
                    Lynn Dickey, 1984

                    "Never apologize, mister. It's a sign of weakness."
                    John Wayne, "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon"

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                    • #11
                      32 of 33.
                      2025 Ratpickers champion.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by wist43
                        I missed one... but would argue it - #30

                        I would argue decrease taxes, and decrease spending - then again, I am a Libertarian, so instinct got me on that one

                        Anybody else see that piece O'Reilly did on Obama voters being dolts - backed up by a Zogby poll no less??? Not sure on the particulars, and I think he said it's on utube, but some guy interviewed 500+ Obama voters... wow, flaming idiots would be an understatement, lol

                        If any of you wonders why our founders feared democracy, just watch these geniuses. Unfortunately, there are more of them, than there are informed citizens.
                        I got 90.9, but gov't spending does stimulate the economy in the SHORT term wist, you should know that.
                        The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                        • #13
                          The ignorant are easily manipulated, which is exactly why the left has worked so tirelessly to dumb down our educational system. The dumber the person, the more ignorant the person, the more likely they are to vote democrat, i.e. the more likely they are to vote for all things socialist... people don't like to hear politically incorrect truths, but there it is.

                          For the most part, I think it would be next to impossible to have a functional understanding of the principles of freedom contained within our Constitution and the all of the supporting documentation and conclude that Obama was a viable choice for President; or any democrat for that matter.

                          As I've said many time however, the Republicans aren't much better... just boiling the frog a little slower.
                          wist

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bobblehead
                            Originally posted by wist43
                            I missed one... but would argue it - #30

                            I would argue decrease taxes, and decrease spending - then again, I am a Libertarian, so instinct got me on that one

                            Anybody else see that piece O'Reilly did on Obama voters being dolts - backed up by a Zogby poll no less??? Not sure on the particulars, and I think he said it's on utube, but some guy interviewed 500+ Obama voters... wow, flaming idiots would be an understatement, lol

                            If any of you wonders why our founders feared democracy, just watch these geniuses. Unfortunately, there are more of them, than there are informed citizens.
                            I got 90.9, but gov't spending does stimulate the economy in the SHORT term wist, you should know that.
                            Posterity be damned...

                            Tomorrow will never come... so spend till ye drop

                            Besides, future generations who will be burdened with the debt being piled up today, can't vote... so who gives a shit about them, right???

                            I really do get a kick out of the morons who prattle on endlessly about preserving the environment for future generations, and then turn right around and promote enslaving socialism.
                            wist

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                            • #15
                              29 of 33

                              questions 7 13 31 33

                              however, I thought some of these questions didn't fit a US civics test.

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