Uh-Oh!

[Fosco33]

Wow, now I'm now a defender of Tank??? What rank am I? In what division do I belong?



Tank has a right, like everyone here to post on a forum. He's no different, in this respect, than a half dozen other people here that like to use humor and sometimes argue with folks.

I don't defend Tank per se - I support innate freedoms. To me, he's a silly, confused college kid that provides comic relief. In actuality, I disagree with Tank's opinions on almost all degrees but I still respect a poster's ability to do so.

(And I've sparred with him many times - see my reaction to his Gulag posting, NBA rules, views on taxation, sex w/ spouses and spelling, views on Wal-Mart, spending $4 Gs on a weekend fling).

I'll go back to me only other post on this silly thread by an infamous Rodney King, ""People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?"

[Harlan Huckleby]

Listen I consider you a bit of an instigator, and a devils advocate. Maybe I am wrong in that opinion of you. If I am then I truly apologize for that kick to your nuts.

Well, I've tried to explain that I am sincere in my opinions. I appear to be a contrarian because I only bother to jump-in on arguments where an argument is lacking. It's not so much fun to argue for a position that is already generally accepted. Don't you think Cliff Crystl, another contrarian, has thousands of opinions that line-up with the mainstream that he just doesn't bother to mention?

But lets say I am a devils advocate & instigator. So what? Are devils advocates and instigators unwelcome in this forum? I don't think it's OK to kick Son of Vic in the nuts. The measure of civility of a group is how they treat the unpopular people.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You think Tank is whimsical and performing some brilliant satire. You also feel that Tank and you are some kind of twisted soul mates. I disagree with yer judgement in this case

KY, you are reading way too much into my defense of Tank.

[KYPack]

Wow, now I'm now a defender of Tank??? What rank am I? In what division do I belong?



Tank has a right, like everyone here to post on a forum. He's no different, in this respect, than a half dozen other people here that like to use humor and sometimes argue with folks.

I don't defend Tank per se - I support innate freedoms. To me, he's a silly, confused college kid that provides comic relief. In actuality, I disagree with Tank's opinions on almost all degrees but I still respect a poster's ability to do so.

(And I've sparred with him many times - see my reaction to his Gulag posting, NBA rules, views on taxation, sex w/ spouses and spelling, views on Wal-Mart, spending $4 Gs on a weekend fling).

I'll go back to me only other post on this silly thread by an infamous Rodney King, ""People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?"

OK Fosco.

I may have messed up. Mea Culpa. I placed you in that clump of deluded souls that rush to Tank's defense in error. Sorry, ya know.

[KYPack]

You think Tank is whimsical and performing some brilliant satire. You also feel that Tank and you are some kind of twisted soul mates. I disagree with yer judgement in this case

KY, you are reading way too much into my defense of Tank.

A. Pls remove those 5 laughing heads from your post, that shit is silly
B. I stand by my post. You identify with Tank a lot more than you let on.
C. I let you get away with calling me an arsehole & didn't say anything about it (whoops, I just did)
D. I give up. You can now "win"

[Harlan Huckleby]

I was only joking about the asshole, sorry that wasn't obvious.

Don't stare at the laughing heads too long, they can stimulate an epileptic seizure.

I will think about whether I might be in love with Tank and not realize it.

[Fosco33]

OK Fosco.

I may have messed up. Mea Culpa. I placed you in that clump of deluded souls that rush to Tank's defense in error. Sorry, ya know.

No apology needed. Being a defender of Tank brought a smile to my face and odd images of war machines...

[woodbuck27]

"Listen I consider you a bit of an instigator, and a devils advocate. Maybe I am wrong in that opinion of you. If I am then I truly apologize for that kick to your nuts. I hope it doesn't happen again, but it probably will, and then I will give you an apology, and maybe buy you some jewlery." Nutz

Naawww ! Just take him (HH) out for dinner and maybe a movie, before you get to the rest.

The jewlery is a tad personal before it's time.

[MJZiggy]

Nutz is giving out jewelry?? Nutz you've been such a beast to me. I'm horribly wounded and deeply offended. And I really like sapphire, amethyst and travertine!!

[Little Whiskey]

Sometimes I call a spade a spade, and that always doesn't sit real well with some people.

i think the point is to call a spade a spade, not a f*ckin-diphole-momma not-paying-attention-too-Spade.

[Harlan Huckleby]

does anybody remember that a "spade" is a racial slur?

[MJZiggy]

Huh. I always thought they were referring to shovels. It is also a common saying.

[Little Whiskey]

does anybody remember that a "spade" is a racial slur?

i thought it was a card game? guess you are the authority on racial slurs

[Iron Mike]

Dear Evan: In the spirit of your recent explanation of "rule of thumb" perhaps you might like to address the following: "Call a spade a spade." A friend of mine from Britain used a variant of this expression, changing an aspect of it in the interests of humor, noting that in not mincing his words, he "calls a spade a bloody shovel." His sense was that the phrase had its origins in confusion over what to call a digging implement. I don't think the phrase is quite that innocent. My understanding is that in fact "calling a spade a spade" harkens back to Civil War America, when a person's freedom turned on whether or not the establishment considered one Black or not. Inter-racial liaisons were not uncommon, and so mulatto children were reasonably common. The White establishment was loathe to allow itself to be "diluted" with "impure blood," and so they took to "calling a 'spade' [pejorative for a Black person] a 'spade'". Is there any truth in this? -- Michael Raynor.

In a word, no. Although the English language, and particularly American English, contains many examples of the influence of racism on popular speech, in this particular case there is ample evidence to prove the defendant phrase not guilty. "To call a spade a spade" not only predates slavery in North America by quite a bit but harks all the way back to the Ancient Greeks, occurring in the work of, among others, the playwright Aristophanes, and is still commonly heard in modern Greek. The original phrase seems to have been "to call a fig a fig; to call a kneading trough a kneading trough," applied to someone who spoke exceedingly frankly. Evidently, when the phrase was first translated from Greek in the Renaissance, the Greek word for "trough" was confused with the Greek for "spade," and thus the modern version was born. The "spade" referred to in the phrase, incidentally, was the digging implement, and not the black character on playing cards that underlies the racial epithet.

[woodbuck27]

"Woodbuck is a truly sensitive person. I think he really believes all that shit he posts." KYPack

You've gained insight into me KY.

I believe this:

The older I get - the more I understand - that I don't understand. That is borrowed from Muhammed Ali.

I believe I am a member of this forum to grow as a person .To learn all I can from all the different members here, who often have somrething to add to my SELF if I am open.

I believe, that we all have something to learn from and 'in return' give to one another - to grow.

It's only the stubborn, mule headed, overbearing people that I can choose to avoid; yet I choose to place a hold on that, as to do so, will not offer the opportunity of a gain from that person, as well.

That is really who I am. I know myself and I'll Know myself better tomorrow. . .

I'm generally a very patient person. Sometimes I fall flat on my ass.

Whoever said - it would be easy?

I always try my damnest - to be fair and have 'the value of sense' to seek harmony rather than destruction. Thus, I have to deal with the struggle.