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  • The Obama Plan

    I don't trust the guy. He has a history of being anti-free enterprise/pro-socialism--real socialism, not just social programs which some now like to define socialism as. I don't like his rhetoric about the severity of the economic "crisis" and the causes of it.

    I do, however, like his plan--to the extent that the descriptions of it are accurate. His combining of massive infrastructure spending with a large tax cut, never mind the fact that a short term budget deficit results, is the essence of Keynesian economics. It is what Kennedy did; It is what Reagan did--if not by design on the spending side, by the fact that he had a Dem/lib Congress to deal with.

    I don't believe this "crisis" is anywhere near as bad as portrayed. I don't believe we would be having economic difficulty at all if not for the media, leftist and otherwise, selling people on the idea that things were so bad and causing them to spend and invest less. I am suspicious of this leftist motive for possibly trumping up the problem in order to legitimize spending on many programs libs wanted to ram through all along.

    I do, however, expect the massive spending and tax cutting as a package to greatly strengthen our economy. That concept, after all, has been proven in the past.

    This still doesn't mean I support Obama. On the larger more significant issues of security from terrorist hits and defense/military /intelligence policies, he is still all wrong, and I'm very concerned that he will allow repeats of 9/11 or worse. Obama is also on the wrong side of just about every other issue that ever came along--most notably in the realm of moral/social/cultural priorities. He also has consistently talked and voted on the wrong side of the illegal immigration situation.

    His prescription for the economy, however, is right on point.
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    Yes, much like clinton he sounds pretty good.....13 days before he takes office. Talk to me in may when he tearfully says he has no choice but to raise taxes....and its GW's fault.
    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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    • #3
      Re: The Obama Plan

      Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
      I do, however, expect the massive spending and tax cutting as a package to greatly strengthen our economy. That concept, after all, has been proven in the past.
      What do you think these wise men should do with my grandkid's money? I hope they install solar panels on the entire Interstate System...making it useless.

      I also really hope they build more places that enable us to burn our food supplies as a fuel source.
      After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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      • #4


        Workers of the world, awaken!
        Rise in all your splendid might
        Take the wealth that you are making,
        It belongs to you by right.
        No one will for bread be crying
        We'll have freedom, love and health,
        When the grand red flag is flying
        In the Workers' Commonwealth
        (Joe Hill)
        "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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        • #5
          What We Are Learning About the Democratic Stimulus...

          Posted by Brad Dayspring :: Wednesday January 7, 2009

          As the Congressional budget office prepares to release their forecast this morning, we are learning more about the Democrat’s ‘stimulus’ plans. As you consider the plan over the coming days, take a moment to consider:

          Size: The stimulus being discussed now could range anywhere from $800 billion to more than $1.3 trillion (Senator Reid, Congress Daily AM, January 6, 2009) over the next two years. This will likely be the largest single spending bill in history.
          Deficit Impact: Given the size of the stimulus being discussed, non-partisan budget experts are now predicting a deficit for 2009 of almost $1.3 trillion; triple the current year’s deficit. That would equal 9% of GDP, which is a 50% increase over the post WW II record of 6%. (Robert Samuelson, Washington Post, January 5, 2009) Some are now speculating that we may have to pay a premium interest rate to foreign investors, like China, to borrow this kind of money.

          Waste: Democrats have suggested that a large part of the stimulus will be spent on vital infrastructure projects that are “ready to go” or “shovel-ready”. In preparation for the stimulus, the Conference of Mayors has published a list of such projects on their website. According to the Conference of Mayors, these projects will “produce lasting economic and environmental benefits for the nation.” Their list includes items, such as:

          $350,000 for an Albuquerque, N.M., fitness center;
          $94 million for a parking garage at the Orange Bowl in Miami;
          $4.5 million for Gretna, Florida, to bottle water with recyclable bottles;
          $35 million music hall of fame in Florissant, Missouri;
          $55 million for a mob museum in Las Vegas (described in the mayors report as “Historic Post Office Museum Rehabilitation”);
          $20 million for a minor league baseball museum in Durham, North Carolina; and
          $6 million for snowmaking and maintenance facilities at Spirit Mountain, Minnesota.
          Government Jobs as Centerpiece: The Democrats have promised that their stimulus plan will create or save 3 million jobs. The incoming head of the National Economic Council has promised that “more than 80 percent of these 3 million jobs will be in the private sector…” (Lawrence Summers, Washington Post, December 28, 2008) That means that 600,000 of these new jobs will be government jobs, whose salaries and benefits will continually have to be paid by the taxpayers. To put 600,000 government jobs in context, that is roughly 50% of the Federal government’s current civilian (non-postal) employment. It is six times the number of people employed in the Department of Agriculture.

          Spending Disguised as Tax Cuts: Democrats are now claiming that 40% of the stimulus plan will go towards tax cuts. Democrats apparently are reaching this figure by claiming that payments to people who do not pay income taxes are tax cuts, not spending. Even Federal budget rules classify such programs as spending.

          Cost Per Job: If the stimulus costs $1 trillion and creates or saves only 3 million jobs, that is a per job cost of $333,000.
          After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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          • #6
            Wonder what non-biased source that came from...
            "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MJZiggy
              Wonder what non-biased source that came from...
              I believe its cited if you read it instead of dismissing it because howard posted it.
              The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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              • #8
                He posted an author, not a source or a link.
                "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MJZiggy
                  He posted an author, not a source or a link.
                  You might actually have to do some research. Consternation might invade your cozy little cloistered reality.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MJZiggy
                    Wonder what non-biased source that came from...
                    It came from your “Public Servant’s” website (I think you live in VA). What part of this information do you find subjective or inflammatory?

                    After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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                    • #11




                      WASHINGTON — Get ready for the in-law in chief.

                      Transition officials said Friday that President-elect Barack Obama's mother-in-law, Marian Robinson, is moving into the White House to join Michelle Obama and their two children.

                      It's not clear whether the move will be permanent.

                      Katie McCormick Lelyveld, the press secretary for Michelle Obama, said Robinson would decide in coming months whether she wants to stay in Washington.

                      Robinson retired from her job as a bank executive secretary to help with her granddaughters during the campaign.
                      Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                      • #12
                        Smart move on the Obama's part.

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                        • #13
                          Waste. Until we see all the projects funded it is a bit premature to start talking about it.

                          BTW, nice selective use of wasteful projects.

                          And, who is the writer to judge if they are wasteful.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by packinpatland
                            Smart move on the Obama's part.
                            It is actually, but I needed to insert my sick humor into the item!
                            Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tyrone Bigguns
                              And, who is the writer to judge if they are wasteful.
                              That, Tyrone, is an EXCELLENT point!!! Seriously. And, who is Obama to judge if they are good projects?
                              After lunch the players lounged about the hotel patio watching the surf fling white plumes high against the darkening sky. Clouds were piling up in the west… Vince Lombardi frowned.

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