Alternative Medicine

[LL2]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

[packinpatland]

HAA...just finshed reading an article on Mood Boosters...how to banish a bad mood. Sunflower seeds were mentioned. No wonder they sell sunflower seeds at all baseball games! :P

Just think about sunflower seeds.....and where they come from. I've never seen a VanGogh, or driven by a sunflower field, and not smiled.

I think the medical community (ours) does not want to accept remedies that aren't dispensed over a pharmacy counter. My older daughter has Lupus/RA. When she asked her rheumatologist about nutrition, he just shrugged it off...................and wrote another prescription.

My daughter's mother-in-law just went thru a horrendous year+ of treatment for stage 4 breast cancer (she's cancer free today)...........her Dr's at Sloan-Kettering, did believe in nutruion, with some very aggressive drugs. They advised her to eat foods in their most natural state, organic if possible. Avoid alot of meat. I don't remember the reason why, but flax seed was in alot of what she made.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

[hoosier]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Are you talking about optional vaccinations like flu shots, or the mandatory stuff like measels, mumps, rubella? If it's the mandatory stuff you're avoiding, what do you plan on doing for your kids' schooling? That's probably a silly question, since someone who refuses mandatory vaccines for their kid would be likely to reject public schools as well.

[mraynrand]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

It sounds like you are enjoying life. We plan to replace all your delicious fats with those lacking trans fats. You will hate everything you eat, but you will live two months longer, if you don't kill yourself first.

[MadScientist]

I think there is some truth in alternative medicine. More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick. The only symptoms they have had in the past couple years, and my kids are young, are the runny noses and slight fevers from when there teeth were growing in. That is normal. It may seem wrong not to vaccinate your kids, because every doctor pushes it, but there is a small but growing group that do not do it. We know several families that do not do it, and some that wish they had not done it. America is the most drugged up country in the world. I don't have the statistics in front of me, and wish I did. We produce more than 2/3rds of the drugs in the world, and consume the vast majority of that. I could go on and on, but yeah...I think alternative medicine is not a bad thing. Be smart and go to a doctor when necessary, but also be smart about the care and treatment you get.

Perhaps you should read up about these diseases you are not getting your kids vaccinated for. The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.

As for the oil pulling and other such, its fine if you like placebos. Any of these alternative treatments making big claims of curing serious and wide-ranging diseases should just be ignored as quackery.

[Little Whiskey]

More people die from doctors than from guns. One of the things we do not do is get our kids vaccinated. My kids never get sick.

The main reason your kids aren't getting them is that enough are vaccinated that the diseases do not spread. If there are enough like you, the diseases will be back with a vengeance.

exactly!

they have nearly eliminated these diseases because of vaccines not inspite of them. I have two small children and have heard the talk about how vaccines may cause autism and other side effects. I think the key is MAY. But we do know what happens to people when they contract polio or mumps or any of these other infectious diseases that are being vacinated for. I'm willing to take the risk for the possible side effects than to take the risk of one of these other diseases.

[texaspackerbacker]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

It sounds like you are enjoying life. We plan to replace all your delicious fats with those lacking trans fats. You will hate everything you eat, but you will live two months longer, if you don't kill yourself first.

I don't think the technology exists to take transfats out of hamburger.

BTW, I was scrupulously avoiding injecting politics into this pristine thread--as I am often (sometimes justifiably) accused of. Let the record show, it was you, not me, aynrand.

I even avoided mentioning that the governor of New York is advocating an 18% tax (called by some at "fat tax") on all non-diet pop (soda for those in whatever part of the country). 60 some % of New Yorkers oppose this, but that probably won't stop the libs from inflicting it on them. The other reason I was gonna avoid mentioning that was the great good deed done by Governor Patterson today (see the other thread).

[Zool]

More people die from doctors than from guns.

Doctors dont kill people. People kill people.

More people also die from rabbit related deaths than they do from meteor showers. It's time to eradicate the rabbits.

[mraynrand]

I don't practice any of this silly shit, and I'm 62 years old also (3 months away) and look like I'm 40.

I practice tennis, golf, swimming, jogging (I had given it up because of boredom, but having an IPOD has brought me a resurgence of jogging), and lots and lots of sex.

I eat whatever I damn well please--greasy hamburger, tons of ice cream, lots of non-diet pop, no vegetables, nothing whatsoever that's "lite", fat-free, sugar-free, etc., and I'm healthy as a horse.

There's a lot of bogus propaganda going around about what is and isn't good for you. Much of it results in sacrificing enjoyment of life--which is something far more important than "eating right" or taking or doing weird stuff just because it's the latest fad.

I'm not denying that there are certain medical conditions that really do benefit from real medication, but it is after-the-fact stuff like blood pressure drugs--the only thing I do take, not all this off-the-wall usually phony preventative stuff.

It sounds like you are enjoying life. We plan to replace all your delicious fats with those lacking trans fats. You will hate everything you eat, but you will live two months longer, if you don't kill yourself first.

I don't think the technology exists to take transfats out of hamburger.

BTW, I was scrupulously avoiding injecting politics into this pristine thread--as I am often (sometimes justifiably) accused of. Let the record show, it was you, not me, aynrand.

I even avoided mentioning that the governor of New York is advocating an 18% tax (called by some at "fat tax") on all non-diet pop (soda for those in whatever part of the country). 60 some % of New Yorkers oppose this, but that probably won't stop the libs from inflicting it on them. The other reason I was gonna avoid mentioning that was the great good deed done by Governor Patterson today (see the other thread).

Guilty as charged.

For God's sakes LL2, vaccinate your kids!

As far as alternative medicine - locate a general practice/family doc with an interest in alternative medicine. There are some procedures and treatments that are for real and a god GP can steer you in the right direction, but be warned most of the alt. med stuff is no better than hair cream or snake oil. And there are tons of things that have been attributed to placebo effect. Be very careful.

[texaspackerbacker]

Neat little Freudian slip there--"a god GP". That does describe some of them--in their own minds.

[SkinBasket]

Our family prac doctor kind of sucks, but I still use him because he's nice. And he did grab my balls once, so we'll always have that connection.

[Zool]

Our family prac doctor kind of sucks, but I still use him because he's nice. And he did grab my balls once, so we'll always have that connection.

My last physical was a nurse practitioner just out of school. She explained how to do a testicular exam and was very thorough in the teachings. I think about her from time to time still.

[digitaldean]

Re: Alternative Medicine

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison.

Bristol Club?

No. It's near Madison, but found out it's not Bristol.

It's a center near Madison that was formed by an oncologist to use nutrition, etc. as a supplement to cancer treatment.

[SkinBasket]

Re: Alternative Medicine

The toxin foot patches I've also seen at a cancer clinic in Bristol, WI, near Madison.

Bristol Club?

No. It's near Madison, but found out it's not Bristol.

It's a center near Madison that was formed by an oncologist to use nutrition, etc. as a supplement to cancer treatment.

Bristol Club deals mainly in gynecology and breastology and has a 7 dollar cover charge.