NRA

[bobblehead]

BTW, Dick Cheney the root of all evil was a step away from being president as I recall.

Stuff that nightmares are whereby caused.

And when old dick is the guy calling the shots...are you more comfortable having an armed population, or a disarmed one??

[mraynrand]

The problem with your armed civilians=deterrant against oppression argument is that it's ahistorical. You're treating every society as if it were late 18th century America.

Another interesting aspect to your comment is that you could easily argue that the oppression of the colonies by England, particularly in the tax code, is far less relative to the current oppression of the American people by it's government.

[Little Whiskey]

The problem with your armed civilians=deterrant against oppression argument is that it's ahistorical. You're treating every society as if it were late 18th century America.

Another interesting aspect to your comment is that you could easily argue that the oppression of the colonies by England, particularly in the tax code, is far less relative to the current oppression of the American people by it's government.

The diff. between colonial times and today is that they were willing to pay the tax. they just wanted to be represented in parlament. We have representation (however, some may argue that tax payers are not represented in our gov't) however, are being overtaxed!

To say that citizens overthrowing a gov't is ahistorical is completley false. how many revolutions would you like me to state to show how armed civilians overthrow an oppressive gov't. Starting before our revolution to present day.

[mraynrand]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

[Little Whiskey]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

any taxes or Federal taxes?

[hoosier]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

any taxes or Federal taxes?

Yes.

[mraynrand]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

hi dummy

[retailguy]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

Tyrone, he's right, you're wrong, again.

You are implying that these people pay social security. What you're forgetting about is that most of the social security taxes these low income workers pay is rebated through other credits on the tax form, examples are child tax credit, additional child tax credit, earned income credit, and various other entitlements.

While the 41% deals with specifically federal INCOME tax, there is a large percentage of that 41% number that is paying no effective federal taxes of ANY kind.

Maybe you should stop googling for a little while and start thinking. If you've got it in you...

Here's something to get you started.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html

[hoosier]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

Tyrone, he's right, you're wrong, again.

You are implying that these people pay social security. What you're forgetting about is that most of the social security taxes these low income workers pay is rebated through other credits on the tax form, examples are child tax credit, additional child tax credit, earned income credit, and various other entitlements.

While the 41% deals with specifically federal INCOME tax, there is a large percentage of that 41% number that is paying no effective federal taxes of ANY kind.

Maybe you should stop googling for a little while and start thinking. If you've got it in you...

Here's something to get you started.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html

Sorry, but FICA and income taxes aren't the only Federal taxes we pay.....

[bobblehead]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

Tyrone, he's right, you're wrong, again.

You are implying that these people pay social security. What you're forgetting about is that most of the social security taxes these low income workers pay is rebated through other credits on the tax form, examples are child tax credit, additional child tax credit, earned income credit, and various other entitlements.

While the 41% deals with specifically federal INCOME tax, there is a large percentage of that 41% number that is paying no effective federal taxes of ANY kind.

Maybe you should stop googling for a little while and start thinking. If you've got it in you...

Here's something to get you started.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html

Sorry, but FICA and income taxes aren't the only Federal taxes we pay.....

Now you want to talk semantics. Ok, how about the guy who "pays" $10 of taxes by your definition but gets $20 of benefit/services back. Does he pay taxes or not?

Classic liberalism, can't argue the point straight up so play number/word games to shift the attention away from the fact that 41% of the people's vote have been bought by giving them get out of taxes free cards.

[falco]

taxes suck

[hoosier]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

Tyrone, he's right, you're wrong, again.

You are implying that these people pay social security. What you're forgetting about is that most of the social security taxes these low income workers pay is rebated through other credits on the tax form, examples are child tax credit, additional child tax credit, earned income credit, and various other entitlements.

While the 41% deals with specifically federal INCOME tax, there is a large percentage of that 41% number that is paying no effective federal taxes of ANY kind.

Maybe you should stop googling for a little while and start thinking. If you've got it in you...

Here's something to get you started.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html

Sorry, but FICA and income taxes aren't the only Federal taxes we pay.....

Now you want to talk semantics. Ok, how about the guy who "pays" $10 of taxes by your definition but gets $20 of benefit/services back. Does he pay taxes or not?

Classic liberalism, can't argue the point straight up so play number/word games to shift the attention away from the fact that 41% of the people's vote have been bought by giving them get out of taxes free cards.

You can't possibly quantify the ways in which each of us benefit from the federal system, so I don't really see what your point is. Somebody receives more $ value in "services" than they pay in taxes, and others pay a higher $ value than they receive in direct services. And this is news???? Look around you, Bobblehead, most of your conservative breathren are relatively at peace with the idea of a progressive tax structure. It's a system that has been in place for more than 75 years--hardly a matter of "semantics."

[Little Whiskey]

tax talk belongs in another thread. bring back the guns!




hell, I cant get the damn pictures to load. what am i doing wrong. are they going to take away my right to post pictures of guns too. a double wammy. get two ammendments with one stone!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

41% of Americans have representation without taxation, at the Federal level.

Really? They don't pay any taxes?

Think hard about that.

Tyrone, he's right, you're wrong, again.

You are implying that these people pay social security. What you're forgetting about is that most of the social security taxes these low income workers pay is rebated through other credits on the tax form, examples are child tax credit, additional child tax credit, earned income credit, and various other entitlements.

While the 41% deals with specifically federal INCOME tax, there is a large percentage of that 41% number that is paying no effective federal taxes of ANY kind.

Maybe you should stop googling for a little while and start thinking. If you've got it in you...

Here's something to get you started.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1410.html

Nice hedge. The # stated was 41%.

I am right. YOu are wrong.

And making statements about "large percentage" is just...well, nothing.