Dear Nutz

[Fritz]

Just a question...if you're a newbie, how'd you know there was a rat, and who might've designed it?

[SkinBasket]

See what I mean?

Skinbasket gets to post degrading remarks/pics, but Partial got booted for, what, making a harmless comment about Skinbasket wearing the dress of his house.

I'll be sure to send the nameless retarded guy an apology letter ASAP.

If you're as well read as you claim to be, you'd know Partial's banning had nothing to do with me and everything to do with Partial. I would assume that if you have a problem with Administrator's decisions regarding acceptable behavior, he would rather you addressed those concerns with him privately and in a way that makes some kind of sense.

[SkinBasket]

Let's make one more thing clear now that not Partial's brought it up again. I didn't revoke Madtown's usage of the artwork I did as a result of "hurt feelings" as both Administrator and not Partial have claimed. I allowed Madtown to use something I produced, free of charge and without condition. We had other simple business level agreements that were never realized, but at the end of the day, the loan of the artwork was a business agreement - for the betterment of the site, as I gained nothing financially or otherwise from the loan.

When Madtown felt the need to constantly abuse, belittle, and insult me on this forum and decided to take actions that I felt was not in the best interest of the forum was when I decided that what was already a one-sided arrangement in his favor was no longer in my interest. He tried to weasel around it by changing the image - a childish effort that I chose not to call him on because again, it served no purpose other than giving him another reason to rail against me.

[Administrator]

Let's make one more thing clear now that not Partial's brought it up again. I didn't revoke Madtown's usage of the artwork I did as a result of "hurt feelings" as both Administrator and not Partial have claimed. I allowed Madtown to use something I produced, free of charge and without condition. We had other simple business level agreements that were never realized, but at the end of the day, the loan of the artwork was a business agreement - for the betterment of the site, as I gained nothing financially or otherwise from the loan.

When Madtown felt the need to constantly abuse, belittle, and insult me on this forum and decided to take actions that I felt was not in the best interest of the forum was when I decided that what was already a one-sided arrangement in his favor was no longer in my interest. He tried to weasel around it by changing the image - a childish effort that I chose not to call him on because again, it served no purpose other than giving him another reason to rail against me.

Lets be really clear about one thing, what I was told is that you contributed artwork at the beginning of this forum. I was told by Madtown Packer that he believed you gave it to him. Later, the privilege of using those gifts was revoked.

Since you described it as a "loan" above, obviously my interpretation of the situation was and is correct. To the outsider, which I am, it certainly appears your feeling are hurt and continue to be, and I think that's also pretty clear, denials notwithstanding. I'm not getting into the middle of it, as it doesn't have anything to do with me, I'll just make clear that I'm not interested in a "loan" of contributions to a website.

From my perspective, logos and graphics become associated with the site they are used on, and I don't want to build a site around something that could disappear depending on how someone feels at some point in the future. I find it almost impossible to believe that Madtown Packer would not believe the same thing, and am confident that he used the graphics with the belief that they were given to him.

Aaron12odgers is clearly someones incarnation here, and is not a unique person. I am convinced he is of the same incarnation as cornholio is/was and he can join cornholio and talk about the packers elsewhere.

Whomever is "incarnating" these folks will join them when it becomes clear who they are. Time always settles these things, in the meanwhile, I'll just remind everyone that multiple user names are not permitted here by popular vote of the forum, I'm told.

[SkinBasket]

Let's make one more thing clear now that not Partial's brought it up again. I didn't revoke Madtown's usage of the artwork I did as a result of "hurt feelings" as both Administrator and not Partial have claimed. I allowed Madtown to use something I produced, free of charge and without condition. We had other simple business level agreements that were never realized, but at the end of the day, the loan of the artwork was a business agreement - for the betterment of the site, as I gained nothing financially or otherwise from the loan.

When Madtown felt the need to constantly abuse, belittle, and insult me on this forum and decided to take actions that I felt was not in the best interest of the forum was when I decided that what was already a one-sided arrangement in his favor was no longer in my interest. He tried to weasel around it by changing the image - a childish effort that I chose not to call him on because again, it served no purpose other than giving him another reason to rail against me.

Lets be really clear about one thing, what I was told is that you contributed artwork at the beginning of this forum. I was told by Madtown Packer that he believed you gave it to him. Later, the privilege of using those gifts was revoked.

Since you described it as a "loan" above, obviously my interpretation of the situation was and is correct. To the outsider, which I am, it certainly appears your feeling are hurt and continue to be, and I think that's also pretty clear, denials notwithstanding. I'm not getting into the middle of it, as it doesn't have anything to do with me, I'll just make clear that I'm not interested in a "loan" of contributions to a website.

From my perspective, logos and graphics become associated with the site they are used on, and I don't want to build a site around something that could disappear depending on how someone feels at some point in the future. I find it almost impossible to believe that Madtown Packer would not believe the same thing, and am confident that he used the graphics with the belief that they were given to him.

Aaron12odgers is clearly someones incarnation here, and is not a unique person. I am convinced he is of the same incarnation as cornholio is/was and he can join cornholio and talk about the packers elsewhere.

Whomever is "incarnating" these folks will join them when it becomes clear who they are. Time always settles these things, in the meanwhile, I'll just remind everyone that multiple user names are not permitted here by popular vote of the forum, I'm told.

I'll be totally, supercalifragilisticly clear. When I donated my time and effort, I made it clear the artwork was to be used as he saw fit for the site for the time being. We talked about other things which have no consequence here, but the artwork was never "given." He was given permission to use it, nothing more. I made sure of that. I am generous, but I am not an idiot. With all due respect Admin, you've heard one side of the story, and I very much doubt it was told in a fair or balanced manner.

Again, when the situation did not favor that arrangement, the arrangement was discontinued. Doing otherwise would have been an insult to myself, my time, and my efforts to better this forum. Nothing more, nothing less.

From my perspective, any artwork I create is mine, no matter who I loan it to or for how long, or how little I ask in return.

For the record, I am also not interested in any loans. Didn't work out so great the first time. Sure it wouldn't be much better the second. Nothing against you Admin. Once bitten twice shy, you know.

FWIW, I know Cornholio. I see him once or twice a year through a mutual acquaintance. He is unique and is certainly in no incarnation of anyone else here. He is also quite sad he was dismissed. Not too sad, but a little.

[mraynrand]

I would be willing to trace my hand and make a picture of a turkey if you want to change the website to 'Packer Turkeys.' I promise to give the picture, forever, with no preconditions.

[SkinBasket]

We could do great things together. Terrible things…but great.

[Freak Out]

I love that layout. Once you get Partials stamp of approval you can go gold with it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

good job on the homepage, but the links aren't working for me.

[Deputy Nutz]

Harlan, you are in big trouble

[Scott Campbell]

We could do great things together. Terrible things…but great.

Understated elegance.

[SnakeLH2006]

We could do great things together. Terrible things…but great.

Understated elegance.

QFT. That is classy and honorable to be a Packer Turkey. Love it.

[SkinBasket]

Dear nutz,

August 10th. Put it on your schedule and tell your wife to take the next day off.

[SkinBasket]

Dear nutz,

Finally. Someone has completed work on a photo realistic ray trace of Obama! These are exciting times we live in!

http://features.cgsociety.org/newgallerycrits/g67/379467/379467_1243476549_large.jpg

This is a large image, so if you're like Harlan and still using your dead mother's 14.4k modem it may take a awhile.

[SkinBasket]

Dear nutz,

Call me. I have an "opening" tomorrow evening that you would "fit" perfectly into.

Love,
Skinbasket