New Owner Introduction

[pbmax]

This is not a business with a group of auditors functioning above it.... reality is you are greatly risking something that has been working if you try to fix something that is not broken.

Your point is well taken. But we have had voluntary Mods before, it may be possible to do something with the same kind of numbers. And everyone could contribute to the rule writing. I don't pretend to have all the answers, this is the only message board I use and one of only two I read. So my experience in this area is limited to actual meatspace.

As for changing something that is not broken, I think the bannings and unbannings and couple of days of Favrepalooza 2009 show that the same kinds of problematic posts are still with us. What I struggle to understand is the constant need to challenge posters personally. Sticking to the argument at hand is far easier.

[falco]

This is not a business with a group of auditors functioning above it. It's a one man show running the gig. Easy to say what should be done when you are not that guy. This is really directed at no poster.

Agreed, but it is a business in the sense that the posters are customers and that it would cease to exist if they stopped "shopping" here.

The idealists can always theorize how to make things better; reality is you are greatly risking something that has been working if you try to fix something that is not broken.

Agree completely. I hope admin runs this place the same way that mad did.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is not a business with a group of auditors functioning above it. It's a one man show running the gig.

The admin certainly has the option of functioning as the Great White Father, from whose mind and mood all rules shall slowly be revealed. The People will observe the Great White Father carefully, hoping to understand his ways. The taboos shall be learned as lessons when wayward tribesmen are disciplined. In time, the people will love and fear the Great White Father, the granter of the gift of chat.

The idealists can always theorize how to make things better; reality is you are greatly risking something that has been working if you try to fix something that is not broken.

greatly risking? Bretsky, you were very nervous about even committing to packerrats in the first place, that was greatly risking to you. I bet you don't buy green bananas at the grocery store, can't know for sure if they'll turn yellow.

How does publishing the rules translate into risky, whacky idealism?

[gex]

This is not a business with a group of auditors functioning above it. It's a one man show running the gig.

The admin certainly has the option of functioning as the Great White Father, from whose mind and mood all rules shall slowly be revealed. The People will observe the Great White Father carefully, hoping to understand his ways. The taboos shall be learned as lessons when wayward tribesmen are disciplined. In time, the people will love and fear the Great White Father, the granter of the gift of chat.

The idealists can always theorize how to make things better; reality is you are greatly risking something that has been working if you try to fix something that is not broken.

greatly risking? Bretsky, you were very nervous about even committing to packerrats in the first place, that was greatly risking to you. I bet you don't buy green bananas at the grocery store, can't know for sure if they'll turn yellow.

How does publishing the rules translate into risky, whacky idealism?

That is BOMNF, Huck.

[SkinBasket]

I don't pretend to have all the answers, this is the only message board I use and one of only two I read. So my experience in this area is limited to actual meatspace.

Alright, I'll admit I don't know WTF is going on. What is "meatspace?" I have a lot of ideas, and a lot of those are pretty fucking perverse, but I doubt any of them are right.

[Bretsky]

greatly risking? Bretsky, you were very nervous about even committing to packerrats in the first place, that was greatly risking to you. I bet you don't buy green bananas at the grocery store, can't know for sure if they'll turn yellow.

How does publishing the rules translate into risky, whacky idealism?[/quote]


Harlan,

This will be to your surprise, but I'm the guy who was invested 100% in technology stocks during the Internet Boom and Bust, and I felt the glory and then the pain as my stocks crashed. I hate conservative drug stocks; now I gamble in Bank Stocks. I play blackjack because slots are too dam boring and conservative at the casino.

I remain vested in high risk stocks and high risk/high reward mutual funds.

As for the CE, I wasn't comfortable with the idea of feeling like I might be stabbing somebody in the back by moving to another forum in the way it was all occuring. I wasn't part of the in group who led the charge because I didn't like the way it seemed to be going down.

Once the other forum was closed down to a perceived betrayal by the CE guy, I was right over here and my allegiance was here. That really had nothing whatsoever to do with my risk level. If you think that had anything to do with risk you misunderstood my actions.

We are polar opposites; we probably could not work in the same office for the same company and co-exist.

[Bretsky]

Sorry Scott

That is one committee I could never be a part of; I'd plead with Skin to stop posting some of the pics and just argue with Harlan the entire time

[pbmax]

I don't pretend to have all the answers, this is the only message board I use and one of only two I read. So my experience in this area is limited to actual meatspace.

Alright, I'll admit I don't know WTF is going on. What is "meatspace?" I have a lot of ideas, and a lot of those are pretty fucking perverse, but I doubt any of them are right.

Meatspace is the opposite of cyberspace, ie. the actual, tangible world.

Of course, many perverse things can be found there as well.

[pbmax]

Sorry Scott

That is one committee I could never be a part of; I'd plead with Skin to stop posting some of the pics and just argue with Harlan the entire time

B, before you give up completely on the idea of rules, if you have time, try this exercise. Read a couple of the Favre threads, or any thread that has gone off the rails, or just gotten vicious or personal.

I think, except for the combatants, everyone can find the point at which the thread begins to disintegrate. Try to extrapolate what actual, physical, identifiable features are contained in every post from that point forward. I think the list is pretty short and almost universal.

[Scott Campbell]

I think, except for the combatants, everyone can find the point at which the thread begins to disintegrate.

Yup.

[Deputy Nutz]

Do you think it is the smart or dumb companies that have an employee handbook?

Good point Harlan!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/special/enron/1533657.html

"A committee representing Enron's creditors and Enron have signed off on a plan to pay former workers $13,500 in severance. The plan needs U.S. Bankrupcty Judge Arthur Gonzalez's approval.

Creditors, however, could back out because 54 former workers, out of 4,200, won't agree to the deal and are seeking the full severance package, as outlined in the company handbook. Former executive John Sheriff, for instance, wants $1.6 million."

Good one SC! In a related story, the NFL has decided to dispense with their rule book. Said retiring rule committee chairman Mike Holmgren: "Nobody paid any fucking attention anyway. Did you see the shit Charles Woodson gets away with? That fucking bastard holds on every goddamn play." When it was suggested to Mr. Holmgren that, without rules, the game might descend into chaos, Holmgren responded: "Fuck you."

Brilliant!!!

[GrnBay007]

Maybe I missed something in the 14 pages of welcoming, but has the new owner even asked for suggestions concerning the forum? :P

[Deputy Nutz]

I have suggestion for the admin. Tell Mobb to stop pulling up more Favre threads.

[Guiness]

See, I see you as one that want to restrict the admin.

Yes, yes, yes! But not because the admin is an asshole, but because the admin is a human being.

This is not a new problem. Its been debated and tested for centuries. Lets start with the Magna Carta in 12th century, says the King doesn't rule totally by his whims, there's also the rule of law. Doesn't mean the King isn't the King anymore, or that the King is a tyrant, but things work better if there is some balance and clarity.

The simple statement is 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely'

[Guiness]

Good one SC! In a related story, the NFL has decided to dispense with their rule book.

In my best MOBB voice:


BRING BACK CHARLES MARTIN!!!!! (just for the Vikings game)

We'll need David Duchovney if that happens. He's dead, Jim.