what happened to my thread

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I think it begs the question of would said thread have been deleted or moved to the can? I'm all for keeping things clean and tidy. Everything should get moved to the can when they take a turn for the worse imo.

[Administrator]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

what was the picture?

I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.

How are people supposed to "self-police" when you are unwilling to state clearly what the policies are?

Your tendency towards secrecy is disturbing. You said that this site "everybody's, not just yours". OK, I believe you are sincere. But you have to act in ways that foster that spirit. That means communication.

I don't think you are a good or bad guy, except to the extent you are good guy for operating this place, I do appreciate that.

The picture simply doesn't matter. It was unnecessary to the forum.

Harlan, you're an adult. I don't have to give you "rules" that you can then figure out how to "break" without really breaking.

You really want rules? Fine. Write them. PM them to me and I'll consider them. I personally don't think that I have to tell adults how to behave. If I do, I'll just politely move them along to be someone elses problem. I'm not a babysitter.

As for PM's behind the scenes, how do you know that isn't going on?

I've been here a grand total of 10 days? What pattern of "secrecy" could we possibly have going on? I haven't even been here long enough to figure out how everything works, much less to establish patterns. ]

Good grief, my 1st conspiracy fear after 10 days.

[HowardRoark]

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I deleted it. Someone posted a pic that I deemed inappropriate for the Romper Room. I thought briefly about moving it to the garbage can, but then decided against it.

what was the picture?

I don't really believe in deleting threads and I certainly don't intend to start a trend. But, you guys are supposed to have a "self policing" policy. It didn't work in this case.

How are people supposed to "self-police" when you are unwilling to state clearly what the policies are?

Your tendency towards secrecy is disturbing. You said that this site "everybody's, not just yours". OK, I believe you are sincere. But you have to act in ways that foster that spirit. That means communication.

I don't think you are a good or bad guy, except to the extent you are good guy for operating this place, I do appreciate that.

The picture simply doesn't matter. It was unnecessary to the forum.

Harlan, you're an adult. I don't have to give you "rules" that you can then figure out how to "break" without really breaking.

You really want rules? Fine. Write them. PM them to me and I'll consider them. I personally don't think that I have to tell adults how to behave. If I do, I'll just politely move them along to be someone elses problem. I'm not a babysitter.

As for PM's behind the scenes, how do you know that isn't going on?

I've been here a grand total of 10 days? What pattern of "secrecy" could we possibly have going on? I haven't even been here long enough to figure out how everything works, much less to establish patterns. ]

Good grief, my 1st conspiracy fear after 10 days.

Admin,

Of course the pic mattered...it got the thread deleted. So, as humans we are curious about a) what gets things deleted b) how bad/titilating (spelling?) c) etc.

It has long been the policy of Mad (not to say you have to follow it) to just move things to the GC....where they die a quick death...or are only followed and seen by those who wish to view the carnage.

If you can't see how your actions regarding that thread have ramifications or cause people to wonder then...well...i don't know what to tell you.

[Administrator]

so, there is meaningful discussion in the garbage can threads? Oh, lord.

I sure hope you post what constitutes meaningful soon.

Tyrone - this is your mode, and what you do. I don't play, though I've read a lot of this type of stuff from you over the last couple of weeks. The above wasn't my point and you know it wasn't my point.

I had a decision to make, and I made it. I did what I thought was best. You and Harlan can disagree and that's fine.

[Partial]

I appreciate the efforts to clean up the RR. As someone who surfs from work, this is invaluable and much appreciated. However, I do think the moved threads should get moved to the GC.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

so, there is meaningful discussion in the garbage can threads? Oh, lord.

I sure hope you post what constitutes meaningful soon.

Tyrone - this is your mode, and what you do. I don't play, though I've read a lot of this type of stuff from you over the last couple of weeks. The above wasn't my point and you know it wasn't my point.

I had a decision to make, and I made it. I did what I thought was best. You and Harlan can disagree and that's fine.

My mode? Say what.

You have stated that the thread wasn't meaningful...therefore what exists is meaningful.

The simple fact is until now, bad threads were put in the GC. If you are going to change that...that is your right. I have no issue with that at all. And, as i stated i have no issue with you deleting it.

But, you have no established a new criteria..which you have yet to fully explain or detail. And, you expect us not to wonder. If you've seen the crap that is in the GC...only a moron wouldn't wonder what was so puerile, nasty, offensive that got that thread deleted.

What i have an issue with/or question...is your justification. If you want to say as admin i do what i please...i have no problem. but, your argument, to me, falls way flat.

[MJZiggy]

Ahh, leave him alone. The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best. Mad used to dump the bitching in the GC, but Joe is not Mad. He can do what he wants.

[mraynrand]

I agree with Harlan and Bigguns. Deleting a thread vs. moving it because of 'meaningless' content seems completely arbitrary. There is no need to explain or define rules at this point. The rules are very clear: 'Administrator' will delete as he/she/other sees fit. There is no way of knowing exactly what those criteria were, are or will be, but that is the way it is. Now I know how sailors of Greek mythology felt when they believed their fate was in the hands of Poseidon.

[mraynrand]

The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best.

We haven't forgotten this at all. What we have come to realize is that this is indeed the way things will run - according to his/her/other's prerogative - whatever that may be.

[Deputy Nutz]

I guess I would rather just see individual posts deleted at this point. The only reason that I am bringing this up is as a suggestion to the new admin. He can do what he wants, as Ziggy points out it is his forum, run by him and he can chose his way of handling matters, he will also have to choose with dealing with the backlash, see this thread for proof.

So, you as the admin can go ahead do what you so choose, but don't complain about threads like these when you make decisions. Make a set of rules, it is that simple, you don't want graphic pictures in the Romper room, obvious right? Well then what is the response from you that we can expect? A thread move, a thread deletion, a post deletion? what will be the ramifications to that said poster that chose to go above the basic rules of the forum? A suspension, a ban, a block from the romper room? What????

Again I don't think Madtown cared to make these decisions because he didn't want to be held accountable for his consistency. Just my take on the whole thing. I hope this will not be the case with the new admin.

[MJZiggy]

The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best.

We haven't forgotten this at all. What we have come to realize is that this is indeed the way things will run - according to his/her/other's prerogative - whatever that may be.

As it should be. If we act like grownups and there isn't a problem, is there? Also, Joe (was I the only one who was reading when you said to call you Joe?), note that if you do delete threads when an objectionable photo is posted, boys will use that as a tool. Partial may never be heard from again...

And let's all remember that a 13-year-old viewing level is what we were after when the Romper Room was started. This is why we have a Garbage Can. Though you seem to have forgotten how to use it.

[mraynrand]

The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best.

We haven't forgotten this at all. What we have come to realize is that this is indeed the way things will run - according to his/her/other's prerogative - whatever that may be.

As it should be. If we act like grownups and there isn't a problem, is there? Also, Joe (was I the only one who was reading when you said to call you Joe?), note that if you do delete threads when an objectionable photo is posted, boys will use that as a tool. Partial may never be heard from again...

And let's all remember that a 13-year-old viewing level is what we were after when the Romper Room was started. This is why we have a Garbage Can. Though you seem to have forgotten how to use it.

Me? I've never gone to the GC. I thought that was for the porn crap and other weird stuff that Skin and Nutz want to post. With the rare exception of some language, I believe the vast majority of what I post has been PG13.

[MJZiggy]

Sorry, dear. That part wasn't directed at you.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, you're an adult. I don't have to give you "rules" that you can then figure out how to "break" without really breaking.

You and Bretsky are convinced that I have an agenda to subvert your authority, or at least there are devious pranksters lying in the weeds, ready to outfox and annoy you. I don't think that is the case.

You really want rules? Fine. Write them. PM them to me and I'll consider them.

Uhh, no-way, Joe-ay. My preference would be for several volunteers to work on this, not including me because I am so opinionated and often reviled. Bretsky is the ideal rule writer, because he doesn't want the job.

I will offer a plan-B: if you are committed to the notion of having rules, I will serve as your secretary and sounding board.

I personally don't think that I have to tell adults how to behave.

Except that you do have to, obviously. Its inevitable that people will have somewhat different ideas of what is acceptable.

If I were in your shoes, I would delegate all authority and responsibility for conduct to a small committee. Frankly, they are going to come-up with about exactly te same rules you would come-up with, and then you don't have to serve as the Enforcer and designated asshole. And it helps build a spirit of community, makes the place seem like "our forum", as you stated before.

But this is not the only way.

If you want to be part of the rule-making, that's cool. I will help. But I'm not going to do all the work, it is a slightly painful job, and you have the final say anyway.