what happened to my thread

[Administrator]

I guess I would rather just see individual posts deleted at this point. The only reason that I am bringing this up is as a suggestion to the new admin. He can do what he wants, as Ziggy points out it is his forum, run by him and he can chose his way of handling matters, he will also have to choose with dealing with the backlash, see this thread for proof.

So, you as the admin can go ahead do what you so choose, but don't complain about threads like these when you make decisions. Make a set of rules, it is that simple, you don't want graphic pictures in the Romper room, obvious right? Well then what is the response from you that we can expect? A thread move, a thread deletion, a post deletion? what will be the ramifications to that said poster that chose to go above the basic rules of the forum? A suspension, a ban, a block from the romper room? What????

Again I don't think Madtown cared to make these decisions because he didn't want to be held accountable for his consistency. Just my take on the whole thing. I hope this will not be the case with the new admin.

You bring up some good points, and I appreciate your input.

This thread doesn't bother me. I expected it. There is a downside to everything. The "self policing" policy existing here has a downside. Sometimes people just won't self police. Whether that's posting pictures trying to be funny, or arguing after you've been told to knock it off, doesn't make a difference. At that point the system breaks down.

Rules have a downside. Creative people figure out just how far they can "push" to break the rule without breaking it. Also, rules just set the 'lowest standard' of behavior which isn't optimal in any situation. Rules should be a last resort, I'd think. I almost believe that permanently getting rid of the few who can't self police is preferable to a bunch of rules.

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

I have no problem at all accepting responsibility for my decisions. Dumping to the GC is not something that I'm likely to do often. Truth be told, I'm not a fan of the GC. I understand why it is there, and I also gave my word to Madtownpacker that I wouldn't make dramatic, drastic changes. But truthfully, do we really need the GC on a football forum?

So, I don't plan to dump threads there.

Ziggy, if people start dumping pictures to eliminate points of view, then individual posts will get deleted. We're not going to 'censor' opposing points of view. But again, at the risk of sounding naive, we're all mostly adults around here, whether we're pretending or we really are, so expecting a certain standard of behavior isn't asking for that much. I won't get it out of everyone, but, that's to be expected.

And yes, you can call me Joe. You can call me admin. Mazzin is going to call me Ed. I am sure a few will call me other things tonight because I crapped on their fun. Whatever, doesn't matter to me. I'll get some decisions right, and I'll get some wrong, but I'm just going to try, with all of your help, to build the best Packer site on the net. One day soon, we'll make that "other" packer site envious at how well we do around here.

One day at a time...

[Deputy Nutz]

[quote="MJZiggy"]
As it should be. If we act like grownups and there isn't a problem, is there? Also, Joe (was I the only one who was reading when you said to call you Joe?), note that if you do delete threads when an objectionable photo is posted, boys will use that as a tool. Partial may never be heard from again... [\quote]


Thats a great idea, screw the ignore button.

[Scott Campbell]

Did you ever wonder if Madtown warned him about much of this stuff?

We discussed things at a high level. He was actually quite complementary of most here.

I decided that I was going to give "blanket amnesty" and I have. That being said, I have a nephew who is 13. He doesn't participate here because my brother won't let him, yet, but that is kind of the "model" I'm shooting for.

While I recognize that 13 year olds see a bunch of stuff they shouldn't, this forum, which exists primarily to talk about football doesn't have to "add" to that experience. Let him find it elsewhere.

I'm going to have to start watching my language.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there

[Scott Campbell]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there

Perhaps we could start a "Suggestion Box" sub forum for Harlan.

Why does this feel like deja-vu?

[mraynrand]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there

Perhaps we could start a "Suggestion Box" sub forum for Harlan.

Why does this feel like deja-vu?

I think we need a rules thread to outline the rules for writing the rules.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ahh, leave him alone. The part you guys keep forgetting is that it's his forum, he pays the bills around here and it's his prerogative to do what he feels is best. Mad used to dump the bitching in the GC, but Joe is not Mad. He can do what he wants.

The you guys shouldn't include me...i've already said he can do as he pleases....but, that wasn't how he defined what he/she did.

Infact he won't post rules because we should police ourselves and because of potential problems. Fine.

However, i've really never seen that much bad in any forum other than GC. So, imho we have policed ourselves quite well. Nothing that i posted in that thread was offensive...i didn't swear, post a pic, etc.

So, of course i and others are quite curious as to what could have been posted that he/she determined to delete it. Especially since the new admin said he/she had been here for a while. Obviously that person would have seen the type of stuff that goes on.

We are acting like normal adults...we want to know what it was. Adults aren't children. Why are we treated as such...especially when i asked..and i didn't commit the foul.

Or, are you the type of woman that accepts reason's like "because i said so." I highly doubt it. You know that you would among friends/colleagues wonder about the decision.

[Zool]

Joe, I think the GC has a very appropriate place in this whole madness. This site isnt just about football. Its an intermingling of people in a community that has been together for the better part of 5+ years. The main focus of the board is football but there's so much more to it. Sometimes I want to come here and read some really stupid stuff or see bizarre pics of asian teens with stuffed animals. Sometimes I want to read only football. I like having a choice. Thats what makes this place great.

If this board turns into a stale sports only site, it will fall back into the pack of 8million other sites that already exist. The reason people keep coming here is the diversity.

IMO, deleting a thread should pretty much only occur when it labels someones personal info or somehow endangers a persons identity. Otherwise, just put the rest in the garbage....can.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Zool, who wrote that post for you?

[Harlan Huckleby]

MAdtown in the house

[Zool]

Zool, who wrote that post for you?

yuhmudda

[Bretsky]

Again, I said this to Harlan. If you want rules, write them. Pick the ones you think are needed and fair and send them to me. Maybe you could team up with a few here and work in tandem to get something you think is fair.

OK, let me offer a practical suggestion to implement this:
1) Form a committee of about 3 volunteers plus yourself

2) create a thread somewhere that only these people have permission to post to, but others can read.

3) Create the rules by a dialog there

Perhaps we could start a "Suggestion Box" sub forum for Harlan.

Why does this feel like deja-vu?

We could just call it the Harlem Box

Of course I'd never post there because I don't believe in the Rule Box

HH is right; I'm so opposed to them I might be good at it. OK, I'm on it

Here's my only rule

Treat others with respect or you may get any individual or individual thread deleted at the discretion of the Admin

There ya go Harlan; There is your rule, and that is the only one

To be honest when disrespect and fighting breaks out I have no problem putting a thread in the dark room.......whatever that is.

Gosh it's great not to have to be as politically correct as I use to try to be

[Harlan Huckleby]

Here's my only rule

Treat others with respect or you may get any individual or individual thread deleted at the discretion of the Admin

There ya go Harlan; There is your rule, and that is the only one

cool, I accept your judgement.


Beaver Shots Everywhere!

The downside is its going to take some time to get used to treating MrAynRand with respect. You win some, you lose some.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is never going to work, respecting each other.

Conservatives like Tex would rather leave this forum than do that.

ALL HAIL THE NEW POLICY.

If only we had known that was the key to getting rid of him.

[SkinBasket]

Joe, I think the GC has a very appropriate place in this whole madness. This site isnt just about football. Its an intermingling of people in a community that has been together for the better part of 5+ years. The main focus of the board is football but there's so much more to it. Sometimes I want to come here and read some really stupid stuff or see bizarre pics of asian teens with stuffed animals. Sometimes I want to read only football. I like having a choice. Thats what makes this place great.

If this board turns into a stale sports only site, it will fall back into the pack of 8million other sites that already exist. The reason people keep coming here is the diversity.

IMO, deleting a thread should pretty much only occur when it labels someones personal info or somehow endangers a persons identity. Otherwise, just put the rest in the garbage....can.

Truer words were never spoken. Deleting the Garbage Can and turning the RR into essentially a pre-teen hangout for general OT threads would turn this place into any other site out there. Treating this place as a football forum that "doesn't need" the components that, while trivial or small or disgusting, built this place into what it is, seems like a great way to make sure no one logs in in the off season, then forget they ever came here anyway.

I disagree that Borat's man-kini should be enough to get a thread deleted in the Romper Room, but obviously I lost that fight when lesbians holding hands and cartoon sailors that insinuated they might possibly be gay were banned from the RR.

Not trying to stir trouble. It just makes me a little sad to think about how much this place has changed for the blander since it was conceived and would hate to see it make those final steps that would strip it entirely of it's identity. I don't want to make more out of this than it is, but it looks like that baseline for what is and isn't acceptable has moved again - toward the bland.