Peter Schrager's top 99 NFL players for '09

[SkinBasket]

Looks like we moved on to Stage 2: Playing Victim to Excuse Behavior earlier than previous episodes. Maybe Zig can take that as some kind of apology, or least some kind of regret.

[Patler]

While I agree that I'm an ass, I don't see how what I did is any different than half of you guys calling me retarded, dumb, etc over the past month.

Ziggy can handle it. She likes to sling around insults, etc, so she had better be prepared to handle it.

I guess young men no longer realize what an insult it is to a woman to be called what you called ziggy. Sad really. I hope it's just you and not the entire generation.

And it's any less offensive to be called retarded? Get real Harv. Both are extremely degrading. It's all a matter of perspective.

Partial;

An adult apologizes for his/her transgressions whether or not he/she feels wronged in other situations. A child attempts to excuse his/her actions based on what others did to them.

Your wrongful or hurtful acts are never excused by how you may feel others have treated you, especially in the distant relationship of something like this, where you have a chance to reflect on what you write, and even a chance to "take it back" through use of the edit button.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am willing to bet that at the Packerrat game, my arm will be deemed the greatest of all Packerrat Rocket Arms. In fact, if the admin had balls, he would create a very grand trophy for the Packerrat with the greatest of Rocket arms.

Partial, as I once heard in a very famous movie with several oscar nominations and winning several Golden Globes, "Stay Classy San Diego." you of course being San Diego.

[Patler]

Ummm... Why is it out of line? How is it any different at all from any of the hateful things people have said to me

Zig hasn't contributed anything, not one damn thing, to this forum in months. All she does is stir the pot.

OK Partial, I will call your bluff. And its not that Ziggy can't defend herself, because she certainly can. But I like a board based in reality, not fantasy and absurd accusations. Here are samples of Ziggy's postings just the last couple weeks (let alone "months"). Read these and explain your accusation:

I'm still trying to understand Stock's reasoning on that one. If TT hadn't found Kapinos, during the season, we'd have been completely screwed.

Blackmon will stick around if for no other reason than his ST abilities. Always have to remember that third aspect. That said, I think he may stick around at corner as well.

Michael Vick killed dogs and there was a huge outcry. Rae Carruth took 2 human lives and it was barely a blip on the radar of the world.

I remember a lot of coverage about Carruth. But with Carruth it seemed pretty clear what his fate would be from the day he skipped out on bail. He would be going to prison for a long time. With Vick there was an initial concern that he would get only a slap on the wrist. Once Carruth was sentenced to a minimum of 20 years people felt a certain amount of justice, although I am sure it will resurface when a parole hearing is held. NFL fans knew he would never be back, Vick of course might be.

On a side note, wasn't there only one death? Didn't they save the baby, but with significant health problems? I think only the mother died, but I could be wrong.

If you are an NFL fan you knew all about the Carruth case. Otherwise it would be a mystery to about 95% of the rest of the population. There were no Rae Carruth chew toys etc.....The Vick case was much more wide spread. The point I'm trying to make is how people seem to value the lives of dogs more than people when it comes to their outrage. People are dying daily from gang violence but I don't see nearly as many people outraged by that as were by Vick killing dogs. I have friends who couldnt care less about sports who knew tons of details about the case. When I asked them what they thought should be done about the Detroit and DC murder rates, they pretty much said nothing.

I think that's because it's easier to have a point to focus your rage upon--say Vick rather than a generalized notion of whoever it might be that's killing folks. The other thing to consider is that "hang 'em" is an easy answer whereas figuring out what to do about DC and Detriot murder rates would take some analysis into the causes and possible solutions, intellect, and psychological skill.

THE QB ISN'T EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!

Good Lord, it's a team sport. Dilfer went to a SuperBowl remember...

Is it a trend of star QBs, or are the QBs stars for having won Super Bowls? Put a stellar QB on a team with a crappy WR corps and see how much success he has and then have him hit free agency and move to a team with a better set of WRs or a better line or killer RBs and see how much more success he has. Suddenly he's "broken out" and is a "star QB." Don't kid yourself.

And by the way, I'm thinking it will truly depend on what they want the #3 receiver to do. I see Jones as being a more finesse receiver and Nelson able to absorb and blow off a hit. The #3 decision will ultimately depend on how they decide to use #3 in this offense. I think the bigger question is whether this is the year Jennings fully supplants Driver in the #1 spot.

[Administrator]

I'm going to lock this thread.

Partial, it is clear that you owe Ziggy an apology. I will re-open this thread for that apology if you contact me by PM.

I could not agree with the sentiment and the posts expressed by Patler anymore than I do. He nailed it. There is nothing else that needs to be said here.

Please see the other Romper Room thread for my complete thoughts on this entire thread.