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One owner/operator was already driven off. Lets try not to do the same with the new one.
He was not driven off, HE RETIRED. The organization had to move on.
Hero worship is a terrible thing. He brought his problems on himself, no injustice was done to that prima donna.
Have you no respect for what he contributed over the years? His impact can't be measured by posts or any other stat. It was the pure joy he brought that I will remember. Sure he may have had some personal problems, but who doesn't? Will you still be a hater when he is inducted into the Packerrat Hall Of Fame?
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
Some of you guys are just Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.
DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?
My 'mode of operation' in the last two months has been to look at who started the original comment. Partial clearly did here. Then he and Harvey escalated it, and neither would back down. Then a bunch of other people that had nothing to do with the situation had to weigh in with insults of their own.
So, I get called out for finally slamming Partial after he got personal several times (while I held my tongue).
Originally posted by Partial
Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
Originally posted by Partial
Young has a winning record, went to the playoffs, and has come from behind victories pulling it out for his team. What has Rodgers done besides throw for a lot of yards that ultimately had very little effect on winning games?
Young had a defense that could stop his opponent more than once in six tries after he led his offense to the game tying or leading score in the final six minutes of a game. BTW, the Packers defense gave up 381 points last year. They ranked 31st in 4th quarter scoring defense. The Titans defense gave up 297 points in 2007. It's laughable comparing Vince Young to Aaron Rodgers right now, but I wouldn't expect more out of you.
... Don't be a prick Harv.
Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
Originally posted by Partial
Wow, I put together a well thought out post with actual numbers and Harv da troll as of late completely ignores it to post more north korea style propaganda. I lost a lot of respect for you bangers.
Way to make it personally.
BTW, I've never said it was entirely the defense. I'd say it's 10% teams, 20% offense, and 70% defense. If the defense had even been average stopping teams late, the Packers have a winning record.
I think it's unreasonable to expect the offense to have to make two game winning comebacks in the last 6 minutes of games so often. That I blame on the defense. Rodgers did a fantastic job of bringing the Packers back in the second half of the 4th quarter in a lot of games. He just didn't do it much in the last two minutes. Then again, when he did do it, either the defense still gave up a late score (once or twice) or the kicker missed a FG (twice). Many people (probably not Partial still) would look at Rodgers late game heroics differently if the defense had made more stops or Crosby had made one or both of those kicks.
Defenses have an advantage late in those situations. More times than not, the defense will hold late. Just look at Brett Favre's record in a games the Packers trailed by less than a TD in the 4th quarter. Well under .500. Hell, a good offense will score 3 TDs and 1 FG on average in a game, and a team usually has at least 12 possessions. Thus, the rate at which a team scores on a drive is probably somewhere around 25%. For the defense to give up the winning score in 6 of 7 games in the last 6 minutes of a close game is just horrible.
Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
Bush is not a top 99 player. That would put him, on average, as the 3rd best player on each team. I can think of at least 3 or 4 Packers (Rodgers, Jennings, Kampman, Woodson) I would take over him, a handful of Bears (Forte, Cutler, Harris, Briggs, Urlacher, Tillman) and Vikings (Peterson, Hutchinson, Kevin Williams, Allen, Winfield) over him. Detroit might be the only team that he would be one of the three best players on. We haven't even gotten to the likes of New England (Brady, Moss, Mankins, Seymour, Wilfork) and Pittsburgh (Big Ben, Parker, Smith, Harrison, Farrior, Polamalu). I don't think he's even close to the top 99. Sure, he's good in his role, but he's just not big enough to carry a big load (see the injuries and ineffective running inside), and that's a huge downgrade.
Originally posted by Partial
I love how you state everything as a definitive fact. Says who he's not a top 99 player? You? Who are you? This site, in their opinion, thinks he is, and they're more credible than you, so... Perhaps you should try saying something like this.
"I think ___ (is/is not) ____, because ____ does _____ imo.
I think your list of players is by and large BS.
After awhile, you get tired of the bull.
Talk about slanting an argument. Propaganda right here.
Some of you guys are just Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.
DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?
Some of you guys are just Admin, I applaud you for actually looking at things objectively and intelligently. As a scientist, I approach things in a similar manner.
DFC? I again, reiterate, how is the worse than being called retarded? I think being called retarded is FAR more offensive. Someone please explain this to me and why its okay to attack me, yet when I respond in similar fashion, I'm the one completely out of line?
I accept responsibility for my actions, do you?
Is this your version of an apology?
What am I apologizing for, exactly?
Nothing. You're pure as driven snow.
"You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial
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