favortism

[Harlan Huckleby]

Just a brief explanation. Anyone feeling the need to reply, do so by creating a new thread in the Romper Room.

CPK - I overlooked two things in the post that Snake made. You needed a good "telling off" and he did it. No telling off is ever perfect, so yes, I cut him some slack considering.

You've lost your 'right' to gripe with your entire body of work. You don't like it? Leave. You've had more chances than any other poster in this forum, and you are truly on your last chance. (Your fairness comment is absolutely asinine, you have skated more than anyone) You add virtually nothing to these forums. Your only function is to screw things up.

I have asked repeatedly for off topic discussion, and bickering to not be present in this forum. I meant it, and it is going to end.

This forum is to talk about the Packers. That's it. It is not for you or anyone else to bitch, moan, complain, or criticize people.

To everyone:

If you have a post about the topic at hand, post it, if not, don't.

I don't like the bickering that goes on throughout all the forums. Most people don't do it, so I can tolerate the level. I try to ignore it.

I don't like that Administrator is trying to police conversation so rigidly. But then again, I understand it, and it's his perogative.

I do object to Administrator's claim that he is not showing favortism. I don't have a dog in that fight, and its obvious that different standards are used for different people.

The "body of work" argument is bs. You can't expect to allow one party, in this case Snake I believe, to throw insults, and penalize responses from those that Principal Administrator has placed on double secret probation.

If you are going to outlaw bickering, do it consistently.

[Bretsky]

No offense is meant here HH, but you've always had the mojo of favoritism is being showed.

You played that card often with Mad, and while I'm not sure I've seen you write it.....you'd probably have the same view of me when I attempted to be a mod.

We'll never agree on much; I've always had the best interests of the forum theory while you've argued for a clear set of rules. I have no clue who is right; maybe somewhere in the middle.

It's human nature to develop biases. I consider myself pretty open minded; I''m that guy in life who rarely if ever dislikes anybody.
As a poster I'm pretty close to that guy as well. But this controverly in the past year has brought out the worst in some of us, probably me as well. I've changed a bit and now find myself really finding my normally easy going personality quite irritable due to tones.

Everybody can find specifics from the past to argue favoritism, I try not to be but I'm sure I could have got some lectures back in some of the TTT fights JH and I use to have. I'm still not sure how much I agree with them. I think Admin is deal with some of the negativity and tones that have irritated others for a while now.

Just my two cents and it's worth about what you paid for it.

[cpk1994]

Re: favortism

I do object to Administrator's claim that he is not showing favortism. I don't have a dog in that fight, and its obvious that different standards are used for different people.

The "body of work" argument is bs. You can't expect to allow one party, in this case Snake I believe, to throw insults, and penalize responses from those that Principal Administrator has placed on double secret probation.

If you are going to outlaw bickering, do it consistently.

I don't mind if he shows favortism. But claiming that you are not showing favortism while there are clear examples that you are is being dishonest and that is bs.

[Administrator]

Re: favortism

I don't like the bickering that goes on throughout all the forums. Most people don't do it, so I can tolerate the level. I try to ignore it.

I don't like that Administrator is trying to police conversation so rigidly. But then again, I understand it, and it's his perogative.

I do object to Administrator's claim that he is not showing favortism. I don't have a dog in that fight, and its obvious that different standards are used for different people.

The "body of work" argument is bs. You can't expect to allow one party, in this case Snake I believe, to throw insults, and penalize responses from those that Principal Administrator has placed on double secret probation.

If you are going to outlaw bickering, do it consistently.

Harlan, you continue to bang the same drum. It doesn't work. Comparing Snake and CPK is futile. The comparison doesn't work.

CPK is a big problem. Snake is not. Other than the "mother" comment which was questionable (and directed at his forum behavior, not her), his points were correct.

the guy does nothing but attack people and criticize Favre. I happen to agree with his perspective on Favre, but the vitriole is not necessary.

You can't look at one post. You have to look at the bulk of them. When you do that, it negates all of your points above.

[falco]

In my opinion, there is a difference between moderating a board (censoring posts, banning posters, etc) and attempting to control the personalities of the posters and the content of their posts. Set clear rules, discipline the posters who clearly violate those rules, and leave the rest alone. Otherwise you are just playing god, and people aren't going to like it.

If you feel the need to delete this post also, please at least let everyone know you did it, and why.

[hoosier]

Re: favortism

I don't like the bickering that goes on throughout all the forums. Most people don't do it, so I can tolerate the level. I try to ignore it.

I don't like that Administrator is trying to police conversation so rigidly. But then again, I understand it, and it's his perogative.

I do object to Administrator's claim that he is not showing favortism. I don't have a dog in that fight, and its obvious that different standards are used for different people.

The "body of work" argument is bs. You can't expect to allow one party, in this case Snake I believe, to throw insults, and penalize responses from those that Principal Administrator has placed on double secret probation.

If you are going to outlaw bickering, do it consistently.

Harlan, you continue to bang the same drum. It doesn't work. Comparing Snake and CPK is futile. The comparison doesn't work.

CPK is a big problem. Snake is not. Other than the "mother" comment which was questionable (and directed at his forum behavior, not her), his points were correct.

the guy does nothing but attack people and criticize Favre. I happen to agree with his perspective on Favre, but the vitriole is not necessary.

You can't look at one post. You have to look at the bulk of them. When you do that, it negates all of your points above.

As the owner of this site you have the right to do and act however you want. The rest of us are just along for the ride, benefitting from your efforts and generosity.

An administrator, on the other hand, has a somewhat different role. A good administrator needs to be impartial and interested in the process and not just the finished product. Did a certain poster get what was coming to him in such and such a thread? Perhaps, but that's only looking at the product. The process, meanwhile, involves what steps were taken to get there. If this certain poster's mother got insulted along the way, and if previously there have been strong warnings not to engage in personal attacks against other posters, then I would say that the process wasn't what it could have been. In the long run, a faulty process will leave almost everyone unhappy.

[Administrator]

Re: favortism

As the owner of this site you have the right to do and act however you want. The rest of us are just along for the ride, benefitting from your efforts and generosity.

An administrator, on the other hand, has a somewhat different role. A good administrator needs to be impartial and interested in the process and not just the finished product. Did a certain poster get what was coming to him in such and such a thread? Perhaps, but that's only looking at the product. The process, meanwhile, involves what steps were taken to get there. If this certain poster's mother got insulted along the way, and if previously there have been strong warnings not to engage in personal attacks against other posters, then I would say that the process wasn't what it could have been. In the long run, a faulty process will leave almost everyone unhappy.

The certain posters mother didn't get insulted. That's the point that is cleverly forgotten. The spirit of the comment was "even your mother knows your behavior here is wrong".

"The process" you are referring to is largely done behind closed doors. You aren't privy to it, nor should you be. I've called CPK out a couple of times, but have PM'ed him at least 2 to 1 over public comments. I've dealt with others via PM that I've been accused of "protecting". I'm dealing with 2 other issues right now that are ongoing. When they're finished, they'll either be solved, and you won't know, or, I'll take an action and then you'll know. That's fair, regardless of what anyone thinks they know.

Point is, people like Harlan and Falco weigh in publicly with limited and wrong information. They can't do it privately when their questions could be answered.

I want the BS out of the packers room. I'm "semi tolerant" of the rest of it. Packers forum is open to the world and meant for Packers and Packer related discussion. That's it. It is the public view of our community.

[Administrator]

In my opinion, there is a difference between moderating a board (censoring posts, banning posters, etc) and attempting to control the personalities of the posters and the content of their posts. Set clear rules, discipline the posters who clearly violate those rules, and leave the rest alone. Otherwise you are just playing god, and people aren't going to like it.

If you feel the need to delete this post also, please at least let everyone know you did it, and why.

The whole "personalities" argument is BS. It's a red herring diversion. No one has a "personality" where they establish through 4000+ posts that they offer little to the forum other than criticism and complaint.

that's not personality. That's a choice.

I have set clear rules. They are simple. Keep the BS out of the Packer forum. Don't insult others. Deal with me privately if you have a problem. Make a choice to stop an argument, don't spread it.

I'll delete posts when I see the need to do that. It's happened less than 5 times since I've been here. Sometimes I edit them. That's happened less than 10 times. It isn't an ongoing problem, it is just another reason for you to criticize. Never pass up an opportunity, right?

[Deputy Nutz]

Honestly, this shit is getting really old, fast. Some of you have some real issues with authority, and for me saying that, that means you all have issues. Skin and Harlan, all you guys every do is look for little injustices so you can cry a river about fairness. How about just shutting the fuck up, forgetting there is an administrator around here and either use the forum for the purpose it was created or go some where else. Here is an idea, how about you lazy fucks go create your own Packer forum, and then try to deal day in and day out with that headache.


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Brett take the blame? What a crock. YOU obviously have forgotten the Mike SHerman years. Brett hid while SHerman made excuses for him. 5 INT game agsint Cincinatti? He ran and hid like a coward while Sherman covered for him. He rarely, if ever, lay blame on himself.

I disagree with this. Brett took blame. Always? No. But he did so more than most superstars for most of his career. I've seen him lay the blame on others in recent years, but that just might be an aging star trying to convince himself that he is still a star. I have little doubt that his decision making and the natural decline in his skills was as much to blame for his failures at the end of last season as his arm injury, but if Favre thought that was the case, he probably wouldn't come back. Thus, I've see him justifying his struggles (i.e. not taking blame) more. It's not unusual. For most of his career, I saw him man up and take blame plenty of times when he messed up.

Maybe at the beginning of his carerr, but once Mike Sherman was hired that changed completely. He had no problem chatting up the media after wins, but after losses, especially when he had bad performacnes, he was nowhere to be found while Mike Sherman sat there and came up with every excuse in the book, "WR ran the wrong route", The ball slipped out of Brett's hand", "Well, he has a thumb injury" etc. Basically only took the blame when coaches refused cover for him.

It's hard to blame Brett when that was out his hands as Shermy drank some Favrey Kool-Aid game-wise, as that has nothing to do with Brett. I don't remember Brett calling out any player in his whole career (show some articles or STFU) so you should really look at yourself CPK. You call out EVERYONE and bitch and moan on EVERY post about EVERYONE/EVERYTHING, yet unlike Brett (who has produced winners/stats his whole career) you have NEVER produced anything (in your PR post career) but negativity and insults. If Brett did so now (talk down on someone.....which to your point, he never did), at least he ain't a Packer. You still (don't know how it's possible) still post on PR, so lighten your hate, please. It's VERY tiresome. Please post less. Your suck-post ratio is very poor. Prob. the poorest Snake has seen in 5 NFL forums. I've never seen you post a good post without trying to bitch/drag someone (a poster, or player, coach, GM) down. Just quit now. Your mom is texting me now, just begging you stop with the facade.......

If this is what you guys are banging your drums about, again issues. Snake hit the nail on the head, but you all want to look for the smallest thing to call foul on. Like the mother comment. He certainly didn't say anything about CPk's mother wolfing down his cock or anything. Let this shit go, or again see above.

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I agree with Nutz.

[mission]

Ive never once thought CPK was a problem...

I thought dude was talking about PP this whole time ... the board was so much more pleasant without him.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sorry, Admin...but, if you are going to come in and say "let's keep the personal stuff out of it" then you have to keep that standard.

You can't bs and say.."heed needed a good comeuppance." If you want to do it..fine. But, Snake shouldn't be your rottweiler. And, i didn't read that "mother" post as you did..i saw it as he was making a sex joke about his mom.

I don't find CPK annoying..nor do i find that he has extreme vitriol toward favre. And, if that is the case..then shouldnt' you be on the pro favre crowd as well...how many packnut posts are vitriolic to the "anti favre" crowd.

You can do as you wish, but you are clearly playing favorites. That is your right...just admit you are being hypocritical.

[Bretsky]

good points Nutz

[hoosier]

Re: favortism

I want the BS out of the packers room. I'm "semi tolerant" of the rest of it. Packers forum is open to the world and meant for Packers and Packer related discussion. That's it. It is the public view of our community.

Fair enough. Hard to argue with that.

The certain posters mother didn't get insulted. That's the point that is cleverly forgotten. The spirit of the comment was "even your mother knows your behavior here is wrong".

We disagree. "Your mom is texting me now, just begging you stop with the facade.......". To my ear that is unmistakably a personalized attack. Why would someone else's mom be texting him and "begging" him if she wasn't also getting it on with him? The intent was clearly to humiliate CPK on a number of levels.

I found the post in question (the one criticizing CPK) to be over the top and borderline out of bounds. If you think he had it coming, I agree that PM is the right medium for dealing with it. Much preferrable to publicly taking one poster's side against another's. There, I've said my piece and I'll drop it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I have set clear rules. They are simple. Keep the BS out of the Packer forum. Don't insult others.

Fine. Now enforce those standards fairly. When you congratulate one party in an ugly argumet for "getting some much deserved licks in" that ought to be a clue that you are not sufficiently detached.

You accused me of beating the same drum, but actually the last time I posted on this topic I complimented you being even-handed.

I am unimpressed by behind-the-scenes conversations.

Most of the people in this forum are pretty conservative, not so tolerant of oddballs and wise asses. Rastak and Bretsky are leaders of the order, vee must have order, pack. I don't think the Admin's tastes are far off from what the majority want.