FUCK THE NRA !!!

[GrnBay007]

Tank, you are young and naive....nothing wrong with that for your age and background. I think you are barking up the wrong tree with your last post though lol

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Tank, you are young and naive....nothing wrong with that for your age and background. I think you are barking up the wrong tree with your last post though lol

Some children facts for you oo7. As a caring mother, you should be worried. But maybe not. Iowa is nothing but endless corn feilds.

Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

America and Gun Violence
American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)
School Safety

Between 1994 and 1999, there were 220 school associated violent events resulting in 253 deaths - - 74.5% of these involved firearms. Handguns caused almost 60% of these deaths. (Journal of American Medical Association, December 2001)
In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)
Nearly 8% of adolescents in urban junior and senior high schools miss at least one day of school each month because they are afraid to attend. (National Mental Health & Education Center for Children & Families, National Association of School Psychologists 1998)
The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day. (NSBA, 1993)

America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)
In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)
The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention0

[MJZiggy]

Georgetown is like Harlam? Have you been to Harlam? I've been to both. Maybe Staten Island. Maybe. I do read the news. Try hanging out in Anacostia for awhile. You know. Get out of NW. I've heard SE is fun. Good place to go clubbing. Might I also suggest the book Freakonomics. As an econ major, it should fascinate you. Check out the chapter on violence in the US. As a liberal that should fascinate you even more.

[GrnBay007]

Tank, I'm not going to get into this argument about guns. I haven't even read this whole thread. It's terrible so many young people die from a bullet but you really need to look beyond that for the reasons why this is happening.

It's almost kinda funny you taking this stand. Drugs...use/selling/buying...is probably one of the main reasons people are using guns out there. How do you support your use of drugs and then wonder why so many people are getting killed from guns?

That's all I have to say.....except, would I use a gun to shoot someone breaking into my house? Hell yeah!! I've been trained a bit.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Georgetown is like Harlam? Have you been to Harlam? I've been to both. Maybe Staten Island. Maybe. I do read the news. Try hanging out in Anacostia for awhile. You know. Get out of NW. I've heard SE is fun. Good place to go clubbing. Might I also suggest the book Freakonomics. As an econ major, it should fascinate you. Check out the chapter on violence in the US. As a liberal that should fascinate you even more.

Who said Harlam is like Georgetown? One I've thing I've noticted about you is that you lacks interpretion skills. I said, and I will qoute "Georgetown is part of DC, much like Harlem is part of NYC." Nobody said Georgetown is much like Harlem. You must have a low IQ.

Whats your point? It would fascinate me to read a book? OK.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

It's almost kinda funny you taking this stand. Drugs...use/selling/buying...is probably one of the main reasons people are using guns out there. How do you support your use of drugs and then wonder why so many people are getting killed from guns?

People smoke weed and do coke peacefully in their homes. Guns is used shoot innocent bystanders and rob homes and murders other people. Big differnce. I will qoute The Streets (checked them out after Partial mentioned them in the music thread)

You know, I don't see why I should be the criminal
How can something with no recorded fatalities be illegal?
And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol?
I just completed Gran Turismo on the hardest setting
We pose no threat on my setee
Ooh the pizza's here, will someone let him in please?
We didn't order chicken
Not a problem, we'll pick it out
I doubt they meant to mess us about
After all we're all adults, not louts
As I was saying, we're friendly peaceful people
We're not the ones out there causing trouble
We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters
Discussing how beautiful Gail Porter is
MTV, BBC 2, Channel 4 is on until six in the morning
Then at six in the morning the sun dawns and it's my bedtime

[MJZiggy]

Georgetown is like Harlam? Have you been to Harlam? I've been to both. Maybe Staten Island. Maybe. I do read the news. Try hanging out in Anacostia for awhile. You know. Get out of NW. I've heard SE is fun. Good place to go clubbing. Might I also suggest the book Freakonomics. As an econ major, it should fascinate you. Check out the chapter on violence in the US. As a liberal that should fascinate you even more.

Who said Harlam is like Georgetown? One I've thing I've noticted about you is that you lacks interpretion skills. I said, and I will qoute "Georgetown is part of DC, much like Harlem is part of NYC." Nobody said Georgetown is much like Harlem. You must have a low IQ.

Whats your point? It would fascinate me to read a book? OK.

In saying that Georgetown was part of DC like Harlem is part of NYC was an inference (do you understand that word?) of comparison between the two areas. Books contain cool stuff called information. The book may not fascinate you, but the information might. Try reading one once--you might start to get a clue. Actually, I thought Levitt and Dubner might be required reading for Econ majors, but either you haven't gotten to that level yet or perhaps the folks at Gtown don't encourage thinking outside the box.

[GrnBay007]

People smoke weed and do coke peacefully in their homes.

Some do.....more power to them. But just because they are peacefully sitting in their homes doing drugs does not mean that someone down the line.....somewhere.....got shot in the process of delivering those drugs.

Guns is used shoot innocent bystanders

Most innocent bystanders shot are from gang warfare. What is the main income for gangs? drugs.

murders other people.

What's the percentage of murders that are crimes of passion?

[Fosco33]

As soon as a police force is deemed unsuitable and the national guard is being called up, we can call for martial law.

Just because it doesn't happen frequently doesn't mean we shouldn't have the right to defend the country from either the government or a foreign attack.

And when will police "force be deemed unsuitable and the national guard is being called up?" Remember you are living a democracy of checks and balances. Read the second amendment again. It reads "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Is your tax dollars going to militias or is it going to the state, the fed, and the military? Like I said, it is the governments obligation to protect us and military's obligation to "defend the country from foreign attack." Last I checked, Amercia was a democracy (or republic if you want to call it that way) and it has the worlds most powerful military.

USA is not Stalinist communism or Maoist communism, or Nazi fascism. If anything, giving people the right to bear arm only increase the chance of revolution. And if another revolution does occur and succed you can be sure to kiss the constitution you are so fond off goodbye.

Ummm, yeah.

Go read about militias before you post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

Have you heard of the National Guard?

Did you watch the news after Katrina in New Orleans? From Wiki....

Hurricane Katrina
Contrary to many media reports at the time, martial law was not declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. However, a state of emergency was declared, which does give unique powers to the state government similar to those of martial law. On the evening of August 31, 2005, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin nominally declared "martial law" and said that "officers don't have to worry about civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters." Federal troops were a common sight in New Orleans after Katrina. At one point, as many as 15,000 federal troops and National Guardsmen patrolled the city to curb its descent into chaos and looting.

Nearly 10 months after Hurricane Katrina, National Guard troops returned to the city of New Orleans. After six deaths (including those of five teenagers in one shooting incident) over a single weekend in June, Mayor C. Ray Nagin asked Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco at a news conference the following Monday to send a contingent of National Guard troops and state troopers. One day after the request, 100 troops arrived in the city with 200 more troops promised to arrive quickly. Sixty state troopers were deployed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

[GrnBay007]

Books contain cool stuff called information. The book may not fascinate you, but the information might. Try reading one once--you might start to get a clue. Actually, I thought Levitt and Dubner might be required reading for Econ majors, but either you haven't gotten to that level yet or perhaps the folks at Gtown don't encourage thinking outside the box.

Books are great and no amount of information is too much, however, with all due respect, when dealing with "streets" and related topics, I'd much rather take information and knowledge from those experienced in dealing with the streets and not those just writing about it. As they say....you want the truth, you need to go to the source.

[MJZiggy]

007, I agree wholeheartedly with what you just said. I was not offering this particular book as something on street life, gang life or life in the big city. The thinking behind this title is that there is more than one way to look at an issue and when you think independently and look at data in new ways you come up with new ideas and economies. They have a chapter on the drop in crime in the 90's and its causes, none of which were related to the ability to secure a firearm. Guns are not the only things that cause crime and making them illegal will not stop crime.

Actually, in principle, I might have agreed with parts of Tank's argument had he made them before handguns became popular and easily obtainable by criminals. Making handguns illegal now would do as some mentioned and make it so the criminals who were less law abiding would create a black market leaving the lawful unprotected. Guns legally or not, are easily obtainable. This is why Florida passed concealed weapon legislation and why it was effective.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

From your source:

There is a long history of militias in the United States, starting before the country became a country with the colonial militias normally consisting of all adult male citizens. This practice was continued after the signing of the U.S. Constitution, and remained relatively unchanged until the late 1800s. After the civil war, State guard units of select milita were created. After 1903 the militia was divided into two groups, unorganized and organized. Organized units were created from portions of the former state guards and became state National Guard units. Some states later created State Defense Forces for assistance in local emergencies

Ask yourself these questions:

When was the constitution written?
When did the the National Guard became the National Guard?
Are all "male adults citizens" part of the National Guard?

Methink you didnt read you own source.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

In saying that Georgetown was part of DC like Harlem is part of NYC was an inference (do you understand that word?) of comparison between the two areas. Books contain cool stuff called information. The book may not fascinate you, but the information might. Try reading one once--you might start to get a clue. Actually, I thought Levitt and Dubner might be required reading for Econ majors, but either you haven't gotten to that level yet or perhaps the folks at Gtown don't encourage thinking outside the box.

Geography, do you understand geography? Georgtown is part of DC, just like Harlam is part of NYC. IS Georgetown its own city with its own mayor? IS Harlam its own city with its own mayor? Get the point?

Do you have a Phd in economics? If so, go ahead and recommand that book to the chair of the econ department. Please, we had to read "A Beautiful Mind" and "Super size this" for English classes. Topic: econ and sociology; the books not recommanded for Econ and Sociology classes. Get the point?

[MJZiggy]

Perhaps if you'd open your mind a bit you'd read it and understand why I think you'd find it interesting since it has direct implications to your major and possibly your future life. It does not take a PhD in Econ to understand that. It's too bad fo you that you'll never do anything beyond what it required as there's a lot of interesting stuff you're missing out on. In regard to this book, it's about Econ and Sociology. And if I were to talk to the Dean of Econ at Georgetown University I am sure he and I could have an intelligent discussion about this book and its possible implications to the field of economics. Could you? Get it?

[Fosco33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)

From your source:

There is a long history of militias in the United States, starting before the country became a country with the colonial militias normally consisting of all adult male citizens. This practice was continued after the signing of the U.S. Constitution, and remained relatively unchanged until the late 1800s. After the civil war, State guard units of select milita were created. After 1903 the militia was divided into two groups, unorganized and organized. Organized units were created from portions of the former state guards and became state National Guard units. Some states later created State Defense Forces for assistance in local emergencies

Ask yourself these questions:

When was the constitution written?
When did the the National Guard became the National Guard?
Are all "male adults citizens" part of the National Guard?

Methink you didnt read you own source.

Yes, I read it - why else would I post it?

You said there were no militias and no need for them anymore. I disagree, proved they exist and are definitely needed.

I'm done with this 'debate' - my uncle was shot in the face my a drug dealer on the freeway back from Summerfest like 10 years ago (because he got cut off). My uncle lived but lost everything b/c he was a business owner. The drug dealer got like 5 yrs in jail and was out in 3 - and no, he wasn't in the NRA.

I KNOW GUN VIOLENCE.

Do you?

No way should the gov't take away guns from law abiding, responsible individuals. If they did, do you actually think people (including the criminals) will give them back? Won't happen.