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  • #31
    Hey, Woodbuck, can you hook me up with Savitex?

    tyler

    You mean this:

    The Lesson of Sativex

    By Rob Kampia, AlterNet. Posted April 19, 2005.


    By approving liquid marijuana, the Canadian government has just certified that virtually everything our own government has been telling us about marijuana is wrong.

    On April 19, the Canadian government delivered what should be the final blow to the U.S. government's irrational prohibition against the medical use of marijuana. It approved prescription sale of a natural marijuana extract -- for all practical purposes, liquid marijuana -- to treat pain and other symptoms caused by multiple sclerosis.

    Sativex, produced by GW Pharmaceuticals in Britain, brings the medical marijuana debate full circle. Though the technology has advanced in 70 years, this product is a direct descendent of the marijuana extracts and tinctures that were a standard part of the medical armamentarium until the late 1930s -- universally recognized as being safe and effective for certain conditions. These products were taken away from patients and doctors as a result of the prohibition on marijuana that began in 1937, despite the public opposition of the American Medical Association.

    In short, the Canadian government has just certified that virtually everything our own government has been telling us about marijuana is wrong. In defiance of a large and growing pile of scientific studies, our government still claims that marijuana has no medical value. White House Drug Czar John Walters even compared medical marijuana to "medicinal crack."

    Such statements were always scientifically ridiculous, as has been noted by a wide range of authorities, including the American Public Health Association, the American Nurses Association, and the state medical societies of New York, California and Rhode Island, to name just a few. Now, GW Pharmaceuticals' research has definitively put such nonsense to rest.

    Make no mistake: Sativex is liquid marijuana. It is nothing like Marinol, the synthetic THC pill sold in the U.S. and sometimes falsely touted as an adequate substitute for marijuana.

    Sativex is a whole-plant extract, containing the rich variety of naturally occurring compounds called cannabinoids that are unique to marijuana. It also contains trace elements of other compounds contained in the plant, which scientists believe contribute to its therapeutic value.

    On its web site, GW Pharmaceuticals explains, "We believe very strongly that many of the advantages of using the whole plant come from the inclusion of other components of cannabis [marijuana]," not just THC. "In the cannabis plant, it appears that some of the components added together give better effect. Some components seem to work to counteract some of the side effects of others, and the whole plant is generally well tolerated by humans."

    Sativex is to marijuana as a cup of coffee is to coffee beans. If Sativex is safe and effective, marijuana is safe and effective. And Sativex is safe and effective.

    Studies have shown significant effect against pain and other symptoms caused by multiple sclerosis and other debilitating conditions. Over 600 patient-years of research have established a remarkable record of safety.

    Sativex should certainly be approved in the U.S., but the process may take years -- if it is allowed to happen at all. Sadly, our government's reflexive hostility to the medical use of marijuana shows no sign of abating.

    But an even larger issue looms: Now that we know beyond doubt that marijuana is a safe, effective medicine, how long will our government continue to arrest patients who use it?

    And even if Sativex is approved here someday, it won't be the answer for every patient now benefiting from medical marijuana. For one thing, it has been clearly shown that different strains of marijuana -- with different blends of cannabinoids -- work better for some conditions and less well for others. Sativex just comes in one formula, and it won't be right for everyone.

    And Sativex will be expensive. Will we force patients to buy a pricey pharmaceutical version of a plant they could grow themselves for pennies? At a time when our healthcare system is drowning in rising costs, that's insane. We could end up with a policy every bit as silly as telling coffee drinkers that they can buy a cappuccino, but they'll be arrested on sight if caught in possession of coffee beans.

    The lesson of Sativex is simple: Our government was wrong. Marijuana is medicine, and patients and doctors should be able to use it in whatever form works best for their particular situation.

    Rob Kampia is executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, D.C.
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    • #32
      i'm all for legalising weed.it'd make my life a lot easier.one thing that has always struck me curious is the fact that our bodies store thc and yet try to flush out most other substances as fast as it can.ive never been given a good explaination for this.
      Think I'll roll another number for the road.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Green Bud Packer
        i'm all for legalising weed.it'd make my life a lot easier.one thing that has always struck me curious is the fact that our bodies store thc and yet try to flush out most other substances as fast as it can.ive never been given a good explaination for this.
        The body metabolizes THC into 5 different components. Its these metabolites that are commonly tested with drug tests (mixing the urine w/ antibodies that react to UV light or are tested w/ an expensive machine).

        Over 20 million people in the US are tested every year, costing $1B dollars.

        Personally, I'd be in favor of testing for construction, truckers and pilots. Office workers and such, I disagree with. IMO and experience, I've never had slow moments b/c if you work a full time + job - you can't smoke heavily (often) and thus won't lose too much in terms of productivity. Most lawyers and business professionals I know get high.

        Luckily, my company doesn't believe in testing. I've had to for certain clients but it's rare and I can refuse to take the test w/o question.
        The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
        Vince Lombardi

        "Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.

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        • #34
          So, there's tons of information online comparing countries and drug usage - I'm not sure of the validity of the souces or their intended goals. I use stats to my advantage every day for work - we have a saying, "lies, damn lies, and statistics". So read this for what it is....

          Regarding cancer rates, it would be tough to compare two countries for marijuana only as tobacco consumption and environmental effects heavily influence overall health.

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          The Netherlands and the United States:


          The Netherlands follows a policy of separating the market for illicit drugs.
          Cannabis is primarily purchased through coffee shops. Coffee shops offer no
          or few possibilities for purchasing illicit drugs other than cannabis. Thus
          The Netherlands achieve a separation of the soft drug market from the hard
          drugs market - and separation of the 'acceptable risk' drug user from the
          'unacceptable risk' drug user.

          Source: Abraham, Manja D., University of Amsterdam, Centre for Drug
          Research, Places of Drug Purchase in The Netherlands (Amsterdam: University
          of Amsterdam, September 1999), pp. 1-5.


          Comparing Important Drug and Violence Indicators
          Social Indicator Comparison Year USA Netherlands
          Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 36.9% 1 17.0% 2
          Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 5.4% 1 3.0% 2
          Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+) 2001 1.4% 1 0.4% 2
          Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population 2002 701 3 100 4
          Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros) 1998 €379 5
          €223 5
          Homicide rate per 100,000 population Average 1999-2001 5.56 6 1.51 6


          Source 1: US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Substance Abuse
          and Mental Health Services Administration, National Household Survey on Drug
          Abuse: Volume I. Summary of National Findings (Washington, DC: HHS, August
          2002), p. 109, Table H.1.

          Source 2: Trimbos Institute, "Report to the EMCDDA by the Reitox National
          Focal Point, The Netherlands Drug Situation 2002" (Lisboa, Portugal:
          European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction, Nov. 2002), p. 28,
          Table 2.1.

          Source 3: Walmsley, Roy, "World Prison Population List (fifth edition)
          (London, England: Research, Development and Statistics Directorate of the
          Home Office), Dec. 2003, p. 3, Table 2.

          Source 4: Walmsley, Roy, "World Prison Population List (fifth edition)
          (London, England: Research, Development and Statistics Directorate of the
          Home Office), Dec. 2003, p. 5, Table 4.

          Source 5: van Dijk, Frans & Jaap de Waard, "Legal infrastructure of the
          Netherlands in international perspective: Crime control" (Netherlands:
          Ministry of Justice, June 2000), p. 9, Table S.13.

          Source 6: Barclay, Gordon, Cynthia Tavares, Sally Kenny, Arsalaan Siddique
          & Emma Wilby, "International comparisons of criminal justice statistics
          2001," Issue 12/03 (London, England: Home Office Research, Development &
          Statistics Directorate, October 2003), p. 10, Table 1.1.


          "There were 2.4 drug-related deaths per million inhabitants in the
          Netherlands in 1995. In France this figure was 9.5, in Germany 20, in Sweden
          23.5 and in Spain 27.1. According to the 1995 report of the European
          Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction in Lisbon, the Dutch figures
          are the lowest in Europe. The Dutch AIDS prevention programme was equally
          successful. Europe-wide, an average of 39.2% of AIDS victims are intravenous
          drug-users. In the Netherlands, this percentage is as low as 10.5%."

          Source: Netherlands Ministry of Justice, Fact Sheet: Dutch Drugs Policy,
          (Utrecht: Trimbos Institute, Netherlands Institute of Mental Health and
          Addiction, 1999), from the Netherlands Justice Ministry website at
          http://www.minjust.nl:8080/a_beleid/fact/cfact7.htm.


          "The number of addicts in the Netherlands has been stable - at 25,000 - for
          many years. Expressed as a percentage of the population, this number is
          approximately the same as in Germany, Sweden and Belgium. There are very few
          young heroin addicts in the Netherlands, largely thanks to the policy of
          separating the users markets for hard and soft drugs. The average age of
          heroin addicts is now 36."

          Source: Netherlands Ministry of Justice, Fact Sheet: Dutch Drugs Policy,
          (Utrecht: Trimbos Institute, Netherlands Institute of Mental Health and
          Addiction, 1999), from the Netherlands Justice Ministry website at
          http://www.minjust.nl:8080/a_beleid/fact/cfact7.htm.


          "Cannabis use among young people has also increased in most Western European
          countries and in the US. The rate of (cannabis) use among young people in
          the US is much higher than in the Netherlands, and Great Britain and Ireland
          also have relatively larger numbers of school students who use cannabis."

          Source: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Drug Policy in
          the Netherlands: Progress Report September 1997-September 1999, (The Hague:
          Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, November 1999), p. 7.


          "The figures for cannabis use among the general population reveal the same
          pictures. The Netherlands does not differ greatly from other European
          countries. In contrast, a comparison with the US shows a striking difference
          in this area: 32.9% of Americans aged 12 and above have experience with
          cannabis and 5.1% have used in the past month. These figures are twice as
          high as those in the Netherlands."

          Source: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Drug Policy in
          the Netherlands: Progress Report September 1997-September 1999, (The Hague:
          Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, November 1999), pp. 7-8.


          "The prevalence figures for cocaine use in the Netherlands do not differ
          greatly from those for other European countries. However, the discrepancy
          with the United States is very large. The percentage of the general
          population who have used cocaine at some point is 10.5% in the US, five
          times higher than in the Netherlands. The percentage who have used cocaine
          in the past month is 0.7% in the US, compared with 0.2% in the
          Netherlands.*"

          Source: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, Drug Policy in
          the Netherlands: Progress Report September 1997-September 1999, (The Hague:
          Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport, November 1999), p. 6. The report
          notes "*The figures quoted in this paragraph for drug use in the US are
          taken from the National Household Survey 1997, SAMHSA, Office of Applied
          Studies, Washington, DC".


          According to a report in the British Medical Journal in September of 2000,
          "Cannabis use among Dutch schoolchildren aged 10-18 years has fallen for the
          first time in 16 years, a national survey of risk behaviour among 10,000
          young people has shown."r The story notes that according to Trimbos, the
          Netherlands Institute for Mental Health and Addiction, "about one in five
          young people had used cannabis at some point in their lives but less than a
          tenth had used it in the previous four weeks ("current users")."r

          Source: Sheldon, Tony, "Cannabis use falls among Dutch youth," British
          Medical Journal (London, England: September 16, 2000), vol. 321, p. 655.
          The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
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          • #35
            I wouldn't care if all drugs were legal. For those that are stupid enough to do them, let them do it..But then they should also be locked away for life if they can't handle being responsible. I realize that seems silly to mention snorting coke and being responsible in the same sentence, but if someone wants to get high in their own home or whatever, so be it. But if you kill someone because you are drunk or drugged... automatic life in prision without parole.

            How many innocent victims are killed because they are caught in a gang cross-fire over drugs?

            That is half the problem with society. There are so many laws telling us what we can't do....but when the laws are broken, it's mostly just a slap on the wrist anyhow.

            Ask Scott Favre how much time he spent behind bars when he killed a passenger while he was driving drunk.

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            • #36
              At the very least it should be legal in prescription form for cancer & glaucoma patients, it's stupid not to, especially when they know it helps.
              Thanks Ted!

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              • #37
                how am i going to support myself if it is legalized?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by GBRulz
                  I wouldn't care if all drugs were legal. For those that are stupid enough to do them, let them do it..But then they should also be locked away for life if they can't handle being responsible. I realize that seems silly to mention snorting coke and being responsible in the same sentence, but if someone wants to get high in their own home or whatever, so be it. But if you kill someone because you are drunk or drugged... automatic life in prision without parole.

                  How many innocent victims are killed because they are caught in a gang cross-fire over drugs?

                  That is half the problem with society. There are so many laws telling us what we can't do....but when the laws are broken, it's mostly just a slap on the wrist anyhow.

                  Ask Scott Favre how much time he spent behind bars when he killed a passenger while he was driving drunk.
                  I'm with you.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                    Originally posted by GBRulz
                    I wouldn't care if all drugs were legal. For those that are stupid enough to do them, let them do it..But then they should also be locked away for life if they can't handle being responsible. I realize that seems silly to mention snorting coke and being responsible in the same sentence, but if someone wants to get high in their own home or whatever, so be it. But if you kill someone because you are drunk or drugged... automatic life in prision without parole.

                    How many innocent victims are killed because they are caught in a gang cross-fire over drugs?

                    That is half the problem with society. There are so many laws telling us what we can't do....but when the laws are broken, it's mostly just a slap on the wrist anyhow.

                    Ask Scott Favre how much time he spent behind bars when he killed a passenger while he was driving drunk.
                    I'm with you.
                    I agree wholeheartedly.

                    tyler
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      how am i going to support myself if it is legalized?
                      Go back to pimping....

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by GBRulz
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        how am i going to support myself if it is legalized?
                        Go back to pimping....
                        Mad's ass ain't bringing much anymore. I'll have to find some new girls if I have any hope of making a go of it.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          Originally posted by GBRulz
                          Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                          how am i going to support myself if it is legalized?
                          Go back to pimping....
                          Mad's ass ain't bringing much anymore. I'll have to find some new girls if I have any hope of making a go of it.
                          well, perhaps you need to lower your prices a bit. gas prices are affecting everyone in some way these days!

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                          • #43
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